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Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
« Reply #100 on: July 05, 2012, 09:45:57 PM »
God is like a teacher. He is giving us a test. Does a teacher talk when you have a test?

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Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
« Reply #101 on: July 06, 2012, 02:25:07 AM »
I don't believe there is a god.

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Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
« Reply #102 on: July 06, 2012, 08:45:00 AM »
God is like a teacher. He is giving us a test. Does a teacher talk when you have a test?
Teachers prepare you for a test and give you the skills required to pass.

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Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
« Reply #103 on: July 06, 2012, 09:03:29 AM »
and god doesnt prepare you for life because you are already alive.

i dont think you're arguement holds valid without further explanation.

if god truely did exist would he have let the world come to how it is now? It took little for him to flood the earth efore and theres plenty enough reason that we should be punished by the divine being.

I think that its good to beleive in something...... hecause it provides hope for the common man. But th way I see it, religion is a haox brought apun us by some very smart entrepreneurs from way back when. In fact. IF there IS a divine being then I think that the perception of eery religion is wrong. Afterall there supposidly only one

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Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
« Reply #104 on: July 06, 2012, 01:21:32 PM »
God is like a teacher. He is giving us a test. Does a teacher talk when you have a test?
Teachers prepare you for a test and give you the skills required to pass.
God gave us the earth, all it's resources, and the prophet(s) in order that we have everything we need to pass

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Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
« Reply #105 on: July 06, 2012, 01:36:03 PM »
God is like a teacher. He is giving us a test. Does a teacher talk when you have a test?
Teachers prepare you for a test and give you the skills required to pass.
God gave us the earth, all it's resources, and the prophet(s) in order that we have everything we need to pass
Except his own creations Adam and Eve failed, what hope do the rest of us have.
Also how many of us actually have any say over the Earth and it's resources? An African child with nothing and no hope of anything, no tutoring or chance of school will go spend eternity in Hell just because he didn't believe in god and was never given an opportunity to.

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Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
« Reply #106 on: July 06, 2012, 10:31:14 PM »
God knows who had the oppurtunity to learn or not. He's not going to throw a poor child in hell just because he couldn't learn. People who die Mental retards or children/ infants are granted heaven regardless. And those who did not have the capability to learn or the oppurtunity will not be held against them

What god will hold you against is whether you accept to learn or refuse. Those who try to learn but die doing so die in the way of god. They are considered believers.

Unlike those who have every opportunity on earth to learn but refuse to (ehrmm)

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Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
« Reply #107 on: July 07, 2012, 05:14:38 AM »
So just because I dont beleive in god ill ne damned to hell?
So just because Ive never been batised ill be damned to hell?
So just because I dont repent y sins ill be damned to hell?
So just because Ive been violated Ill be damned to hell?

Look brah, that whole things silly

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Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
« Reply #108 on: July 07, 2012, 05:36:52 AM »
God knows who had the oppurtunity to learn or not. He's not going to throw a poor child in hell just because he couldn't learn. People who die Mental retards or children/ infants are granted heaven regardless. And those who did not have the capability to learn or the oppurtunity will not be held against them

What god will hold you against is whether you accept to learn or refuse. Those who try to learn but die doing so die in the way of god. They are considered believers.

Unlike those who have every opportunity on earth to learn but refuse to (ehrmm)
But that's different rules for everybody, that's clearly discrimination.
Are you really saying an intelligent, good man that doesn't believe because he can't find any evidence spends eternity in Hell but some guy that does bad stuff just to survive in a 3rd world country will go to Heaven just because he never had the opportunity to learn?

I also find it strange that god can be jealous, discriminate and be bias towards people that worship him. This is supposed to be the great being we look up to and judge ourselves on. Seriously, I can think of many better role models.

Who decides what is evil? If it's god why do we have laws? If we wrongly condemn someone will god punish us for it?
Do soldiers go to Hell for killing people or are they allowed different rules too?
Why are gays not allowed?
Why did god kill good people in the floods? What did they ever do?
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Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
« Reply #109 on: July 07, 2012, 06:51:31 AM »
There is no "discrimination" involved AT ALL

What I said is basically an example of one thing that god made clear to all people

You are judged by intention

Money, Food, Knowledge, Power. None of that affects the judging at all.

If you steal because you are a selfish man who refuses to pay, you're sinned. But if you steal just a little so that you're family may survive for just a few more weeks, why would you be sinned for that?

If you kill because some dude owes you money, you're sinned. But if you kill because somebody is holding you're mom at gunpoint, why would you be sinned?

If you pray just to get your mom off your ass, do you think god will accept it? As supposed to one who prays purely because he loves god?


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Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
« Reply #110 on: July 07, 2012, 06:59:00 AM »
There is no "discrimination" involved AT ALL


If you pray just to get your mom off your ass, do you think god will accept it? As supposed to one who prays purely because he loves god?
Some African kid prays to god for some food. He dies of starvation. Somebody in a Nazi death camp prays to god to escape the gas chamber. They die in agony. Somebody in Sarajevo early 90's prays their family member gets to shop without a sniper putting a bullet through their head for fun. They never see them again.

Some bishop with a comfortable life in a 1st world country prays and gets something because he loves god.

Sorry man, I want no part of religion. And that is clear discrimination. Maybe I will go to Hell but I will go with a clear conscience knowing I treated everyone as equals, I didn't judge them for selfish reasons and I gave them the respect they deserved as individuals to make their own choices.
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Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
« Reply #111 on: July 07, 2012, 12:59:38 PM »
Let me ask you: When you were a kid did your parents give you everything you want?

Does that make them love you any less than a parent who spoils their child?

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Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
« Reply #112 on: July 07, 2012, 01:15:11 PM »
Let me ask you: When you were a kid did your parents give you everything you want?

Does that make them love you any less than a parent who spoils their child?
But they never treated myself and my brother any differently. Even though I was the "bad one"and always in trouble with the police, we always got exactly the same treatment. They loved us equally.

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Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
« Reply #113 on: July 07, 2012, 02:44:26 PM »
This is exactly why I hate debates like this. It makes me want to hit the person insulting or condemning what I choose to believe in. Is there even a reason to have a debate like this? Hell, is this even considered a debate?

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Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
« Reply #114 on: July 07, 2012, 02:56:51 PM »
This is exactly why I hate debates like this. It makes me want to hit the person insulting or condemning what I choose to believe in. Is there even a reason to have a debate like this? Hell, is this even considered a debate?
I agree here. Since it's more like... "Defend your opinion and being sure you are right" type of 'discussion' going on here.

* Insert rant about too many religions and wars for "who is right" ... contradicting the "peace & love" message here. *

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Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
« Reply #115 on: July 07, 2012, 04:37:40 PM »
I don't feel any hate towards msg. It's actually pretty fun and it's making me feel religious lol

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Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
« Reply #116 on: July 07, 2012, 05:13:18 PM »
I don't feel any hate towards msg. It's actually pretty fun and it's making me feel religious lol
Yeah, I get that feeling when I "debate" with other people, too.
Especially when they insult the religion I'm in and never consider others' opinion.

But I learned my lesson. The reason is below.
It's actually pretty fun and it's making me feel religious lol
Big, big, big question:
Are you?

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Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
« Reply #117 on: July 07, 2012, 07:25:59 PM »
i don't think his intent was to insult my religion, i think he was just putting out his belief.
Just like i feel he isnt insulted when i said nonbelievers will go to hell

And i am active in my religion but i don't consider myself very religious. i don't really know how to explain

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Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
« Reply #118 on: July 07, 2012, 10:45:49 PM »
Debates can be confronting because it's the clearest way to get the message across the way you want it. Some people might see it as an argument. Don't worry, you'll learn how to debate properly in school... At least I think you will.

Please continue, this is pretty interesting.

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Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
« Reply #119 on: July 08, 2012, 02:01:24 AM »
i don't think his intent was to insult my religion, i think he was just putting out his belief.
I'm aware of that. I'm pointing out that this debate is a flame war waiting to happen and some might feel offended about this.

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Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
« Reply #120 on: July 08, 2012, 03:54:15 AM »
My views about Religion. Warning, don't read this if you are easily offended or something, it is highly criticizing and it's just me stating what I think, I am not trying to offend anyone.
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TL;DR: I think God doesn't exist and the purpose of life is breeding to continue the existence of human species. I don't believe in reincarnation or anything supernatural or whatever. Not to disrespect any religions, of course, this is simply my opinion.
Also, forgive me if I wrote something out of context or something, it was a tiring day.

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Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
« Reply #121 on: July 08, 2012, 04:33:21 AM »
And this is where I step in.
My views about Religion. Warning, don't read this if you are easily offended or something, it is highly criticizing and it's just me stating what I think, I am not trying to offend anyone
No problem. I'm not offended at all. But I'm going to point out some misconceptions about Christianity/Catholicism you might have mentioned.

My views about Religion. Warning, don't read this if you are easily offended or something, it is highly criticizing and it's just me stating what I think, I am not trying to offend anyone.
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Also, I don't believe in "If you're a nonbeliever, you will go to hell" stuff. It does seem discriminating.


OH GOD, I'M SUCKED INTO THE DEBATE!
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Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
« Reply #122 on: July 08, 2012, 04:37:16 AM »
welcome, i need a believer to back me up =P

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Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
« Reply #123 on: July 08, 2012, 04:39:59 AM »
welcome, i need a believer to back me up =P
I promised myself that that post was the only time I participated in a religious debate. D:

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Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
« Reply #124 on: July 08, 2012, 05:06:57 AM »
Religon can go to hell. All its done fer me is make my life stricter.

 

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