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Cause of La Vista Massacre
« on: June 22, 2014, 07:21:22 AM »
As you may have already known, back on May 23, 2014 there was a massacre at Isla Vista, California, killing 6 and injuring 13. The event was perpetrated by none other than Elliot Rodger, son of the assistant director of Hunger Games, Peter Rodger.

Earlier back, Elliot had already expressed his frustrations on not being able to get "beautiful women", blaming it on society, "hedonistic men", and even women as a whole.

Take a peak at some of his videos. Pathetic as it may seem at that time, it's actually pretty scary.

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Here's his manifesto prior to the killings. [link]

Where am I getting at? I've seen posts arguing whether the cause of the massacre is his alleged mental illness or a really bad misogynist influence that's enough to encourage this kind of behavior. If it's the former, could it have been prevented or suppressed, at least? If it's the latter, where did he get it? Could be both, sure but really, which of the two had the bigger impact?

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Re: Cause of La Vista Massacre
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2014, 07:26:48 AM »
Seems to me that he's just an emotional little brat

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Re: Cause of La Vista Massacre
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2014, 07:40:02 AM »
Misogyny is fucking everywhere. Women are constantly objectified, and we're viewed as nothing more than trophies.
Sexism is rampant and it is a huge problem and the only people who can change that don't give a fuck because they're asshole older men.

"Beautiful" women are the only women that are inherently given any value in society. It is WRONG and it needs to fucking STOP but nobody cares what ugly bitches have to say, right?

In a sense there is some legitimacy as far as that's how he felt, but mental illness probably deserves the majority of the blame. This country (United States) is downright horrible when it comes to mental illness, and how to deal with it. It's despicable that stigma still exists in this day and age. People still view mental illness as some sort of "weakness" when it's just like any other illness, except your brain is the part that's sick.

Get your shit together, United States.

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Re: Cause of La Vista Massacre
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2014, 11:44:27 AM »
I bet the main reason girls don't pay attention to him is because he's a stuck-up little snot.

Misogyny is fucking everywhere. Women are constantly objectified, and we're viewed as nothing more than trophies.
Women constantly objectify penises though, forgetting that there's ~usually~ a person attached to them.

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Re: Cause of La Vista Massacre
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2014, 05:05:03 PM »
Seems to me that he's just an emotional little brat

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Re: Cause of La Vista Massacre
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2014, 07:01:01 PM »
Misogyny is fucking everywhere. Women are constantly objectified, and we're viewed as nothing more than trophies.
Sexism is rampant and it is a huge problem and the only people who can change that don't give a fuck because they're asshole older men.

"Beautiful" women are the only women that are inherently given any value in society. It is WRONG and it needs to fucking STOP but nobody cares what ugly bitches have to say, right?

In a sense there is some legitimacy as far as that's how he felt, but mental illness probably deserves the majority of the blame. This country (United States) is downright horrible when it comes to mental illness, and how to deal with it. It's despicable that stigma still exists in this day and age. People still view mental illness as some sort of "weakness" when it's just like any other illness, except your brain is the part that's sick.

Get your shit together, United States.
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Re: Cause of La Vista Massacre
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2014, 07:13:00 PM »
The guy seems to be a misogynistic douche with a god complex.

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Re: Cause of La Vista Massacre
« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2014, 07:47:59 PM »
Misogyny is fucking everywhere. Women are constantly objectified, and we're viewed as nothing more than trophies.
Women constantly objectify penises though, forgetting that there's ~usually~ a person attached to them.

Don't even fucking start with the jokes here.

Women have to live through this shit EVERY SECOND of EVERY DAY. You have a girlfriend, right? And a mother? Then you should give a fuck that actual people have to feel like shit just because impossible ideals are displayed everywhere and hailed as the holy fucking grail.
It's not a goddamn laughing matter and treating it like one is only contributing to the problem.

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Re: Cause of La Vista Massacre
« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2014, 08:19:54 PM »
I'm not kidding

Sorry but in my opinion being seen as an object is still better than not being seen at all. Women aren't the only ones with problems.

Not seeing girls as an object makes you go completely unnoticed as a man.

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Re: Cause of La Vista Massacre
« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2014, 11:26:31 PM »
Not seeing girls as an object makes you go completely unnoticed as a man.
This sorta relates to the motive of the killer as he saw these girls as objects rather than by actual human beings. His usage of the word "girls" rather than "women," despite how slight the offense is, is still an indicator of how objectified the women were. Calling them girls projects his desired dominance over them.
However, his frustration was at how he couldn't gain dominance over them. He went completely unnoticed as a man, which is arguably worse than being noticed as an object. His anger was directed at the women, but because of his misogynistic mindset, people fail to see that it's because of other mens' projected expectations on each other that caused this.
His frustration was at how he could not be noticed as a dominant figure to other dominant figures. He doesn't feel “misery, rejection, loneliness, and pain" because women did that to him, he didn't even care about them enough to give any single one of them names or descriptions in his videos/writings. He always described the man. He wanted to impress/surpass that man.
So it's because of societal expectations on men that caused this murder, not because women are objectified but because men are over-glorified to the point where not living up to those standards can spell ostracism.

 

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