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Racism?
« on: April 24, 2012, 09:36:30 PM »
I'd like to add that something isn't racist unless it has "intent to offend". I've had many discussions about this with noobs on facebook and I think you are all smart enough to know the difference, but just to clarify. =3
So its only worth reporting if you "know" that the person has the intent to offend someone, you can't be accidently racist.

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Re: Racism?
« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2012, 10:00:10 PM »
I'd like to add that something isn't racist unless it has "intent to offend". I've had many discussions about this with noobs on facebook and I think you are all smart enough to know the difference, but just to clarify. =3
So its only worth reporting if you "know" that the person has the intent to offend someone, you can't be accidently racist.

I didn't mean to say that. Being racist is allowed here. Just don't cast it on someone.

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Re: Racism?
« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2012, 10:06:08 PM »
I'd like to add that something isn't racist unless it has "intent to offend". I've had many discussions about this with noobs on facebook and I think you are all smart enough to know the difference, but just to clarify. =3
So its only worth reporting if you "know" that the person has the intent to offend someone, you can't be accidently racist.

I didn't mean to say that. Being racist is allowed here. Just don't cast it on someone.
That makes little sense, in order for something to be racist it needs to be cast on someone, or a group.
Like I said, you can't be accidently racist, you need to direct it at someone and mean it in the offensive manner.

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Re: Racism?
« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2012, 10:09:54 PM »
I'm racist, but I keep that to myself. How little sense does that make?

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Re: Racism?
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2012, 10:13:33 PM »
I'm not a racist i only hate the litle kids in my neighbourhood

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Re: Racism?
« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2012, 10:16:43 PM »
Racism is discrimination based on ethnic background

Discrimination is the prejudicial treatment

The word prejudice (or foredeeming) is most often used to refer to preconceived judgments toward people or a person because of race/ethnicity, gender, social class, age, disability, religion, sexuality, nationality or other personal characteristics

preconceived meaning you must have at some point had the intent to do it in the future, -intent- is the word I used to start the argument and its also the word to finish it.

So unless you intend to hurt someone, it isn't racist or defined as racism in any way. There you go, you can walk off into the sunset with a better understanding of the world we live in

(This thread shouldn't even be in the debate section because its not debatable unless you for some reason choose not to care about the definition of words)
« Last Edit: April 24, 2012, 10:21:27 PM by Nega-Pow » »

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Re: Racism?
« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2012, 10:54:08 PM »
This thread shouldn't even be in the debate section because its not debatable unless you for some reason choose not to care about the definition of words
That's not for you to say. Definitions are made by people too. The person who made that definition is obviously very ignorant

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Re: Racism?
« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2012, 11:02:40 PM »
This thread shouldn't even be in the debate section because its not debatable unless you for some reason choose not to care about the definition of words
That's not for you to say. Definitions are made by people too. The person who made that definition is obviously very ignorant
Take it up with oxford then, but until then I'm still correct. Thats how racism is to be determined and if you don't like it I'm afraid that simply how it is and you'll have to accept it. Racism is a word used universally with the same meaning everywhere, you can't have your own opinion on what it is. Its a solid definition.
I mean just because you think that a word should mean something else doesn't mean that you're right, I mean if I wanted juice to apply to all liquids and I firmly believed that, (for no reason whatsoever) that doesn't mean I'm right now does it? Because there is a definition of the word juice that says otherwise.
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Re: Racism?
« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2012, 12:28:57 AM »
Just don't call someone a nigglet and you'll be fine, people.

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Re: Racism?
« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2012, 12:32:05 AM »
Take it up with oxford then, but until then I'm still correct. Thats how racism is to be determined and if you don't like it I'm afraid that simply how it is and you'll have to accept it. Racism is a word used universally with the same meaning everywhere, you can't have your own opinion on what it is. Its a solid definition.
I mean just because you think that a word should mean something else doesn't mean that you're right, I mean if I wanted juice to apply to all liquids and I firmly believed that, (for no reason whatsoever) that doesn't mean I'm right now does it? Because there is a definition of the word juice that says otherwise.

It's not like the justice system all over the world thinks like how it's in the dictionary. If it's solid, why would they twist it?

btw.. Talking should be fun. Keep it fun.

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Re: Racism?
« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2012, 04:14:13 AM »
all i can say is fhuk racisits x;


were all one o.o
no need to separate by colors nor accent, we make a better world together
I certainly got a normal accent (american), i ve tried british XD, i like it, but i look hispanic :}

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Re: Racism?
« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2012, 09:15:23 AM »
I totally agree with pow. Does real racism really still exist anyway? Obviously there will always be a few nutjobs, but I mean in general. I don't know anybody that's really racist, sure we tell jokes and stuff but nobody is actually racist, we tell fat jokes and women jokes but that doesn't mean we hate women and fatties. I even get black jokes sent from my black friend, a joke is a joke.

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Re: Racism?
« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2012, 09:17:43 AM »
The thing is... the image of a certain group is ALWAYS ruined by some idiots that just want TOO much done for them. Those people who ABUSE "racism" to get the job done.

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Re: Racism?
« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2012, 09:22:56 AM »
It's not like the justice system all over the world thinks like how it's in the dictionary. If it's solid, why would they twist it?
btw.. Talking should be fun. Keep it fun.
No no no, IT DOES.
Seriously, the only justice systems that do not go by the rules of intent, are the justice systems that are located in countries where racism is very common and barely a crime, or not worth it to prosecute over. Everywhere else racism is defined by intent. Trust me.
The only people that twist the definition of racism are the public, know why? because tensions have rose so high between the white ethnicity and all of the rest, that we simply don't know what is right and what is wrong. We are too afraid of offending the other ethnicity so we immediately jump to conclusions and defend them even when there is nothing to defend them against.
I will tell you that there is quite a large group of people that don't know how to define racism, so they make up their own little definitions out of necessity, which is why you are arguing against me today, because until yesterday you didn't know the definition and before that you had made up your own definition out of necessity.
There is nothing else to debate, this is dead ended.

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Re: Racism?
« Reply #14 on: April 25, 2012, 09:45:58 AM »
Seriously, the only justice systems that do not go by the rules of intent, are the justice systems that are located in countries where racism is very common and barely a crime, or not worth it to prosecute over. Everywhere else racism is defined by intent. Trust me.
The only people that twist the definition of racism are the public, know why? because tensions have rose so high between the white ethnicity and all of the rest, that we simply don't know what is right and what is wrong. We are too afraid of offending the other ethnicity so we immediately jump to conclusions and defend them even when there is nothing to defend them against.
I will tell you that there is quite a large group of people that don't know how to define racism, so they make up their own little definitions out of necessity, which is why you are arguing against me today, because until yesterday you didn't know the definition and before that you had made up your own definition out of necessity.
There is nothing else to debate, this is dead ended.
Agree 100%

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Re: Racism?
« Reply #15 on: April 25, 2012, 09:49:40 AM »
wait a second. let me see if i got this right. you are saying that someone is racist only when they mean to be racist? that just doesnt make sense.


and i also believe everyone is a little racist at some point. stereotypes are a form of racism and discrimination.
let me give you one example to enlighten you people how we all can be racist at some point. lets say you are driving on a neighborhood in your city which happens to be only latinos or black people neighborhood. dont you lock your doors? start paying more attention? or when walking on the sidewalk a little late, no one else around and suddenly you see a black person coming towards you, dont you cross to the other sidewalk or just pay more attention on to what that person is going to do? these two are involuntary or unconscious ways of racism that exist even if someone is not racist and can be caused by stereotypes. at some point we can all be racist.


or better yet, only white people town and suddenly a non white person moves to town. and he starts receiving attention from everyone in the neighborhood. i dont mean negative attention, but special, people treating that person differently from the others. this can also be a type of racism





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Re: Racism?
« Reply #16 on: April 25, 2012, 09:53:12 AM »
I totally agree with pow. Does real racism really still exist anyway? Obviously there will always be a few nutjobs, but I mean in general. I don't know anybody that's really racist, sure we tell jokes and stuff but nobody is actually racist, we tell fat jokes and women jokes but that doesn't mean we hate women and fatties. I even get black jokes sent from my black friend, a joke is a joke.

There's always extremists about everything, so I think real racism does still excist.

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Re: Racism?
« Reply #17 on: April 25, 2012, 09:57:46 AM »
wait a second. let me see if i got this right. you are saying that someone is racist only when they mean to be racist? that just doesnt make sense.


and i also believe everyone is a little racist at some point. stereotypes are a form of racism and discrimination.
let me give you one example to enlighten you people how we all can be racist at some point. lets say you are driving on a neighborhood in your city which happens to be only latinos or black people neighborhood. dont you lock your doors? start paying more attention? or when walking on the sidewalk a little late, no one else around and suddenly you see a black person coming towards you, dont you cross to the other sidewalk or just pay more attention on to what that person is going to do? these two are involuntary or unconscious ways of racism that exist even if someone is not racist and can be caused by stereotypes. at some point we can all be racist.


or better yet, only white people town and suddenly a non white person moves to town. and he starts receiving attention from everyone in the neighborhood. i dont mean negative attention, but special, people treating that person differently from the others. this can also be a type of racism
All of that is irrelevant if you go up the page and look at the complete definition. Are you not simply making up your own?
It is impossible to be accidently racist, even if its "unconscious racism", its not racism....because its not intentional.
locking your doors because you are afraid of someone "black" passing by isn't racism. Dude thats fear or paranoia. You are not intending to offend that person in any way, you are trying to protect yourself.
Man this is getting so tiresome.....
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Re: Racism?
« Reply #18 on: April 25, 2012, 10:01:17 AM »
wait a second. let me see if i got this right. you are saying that someone is racist only when they mean to be racist? that just doesnt make sense.


and i also believe everyone is a little racist at some point. stereotypes are a form of racism and discrimination.
let me give you one example to enlighten you people how we all can be racist at some point. lets say you are driving on a neighborhood in your city which happens to be only latinos or black people neighborhood. dont you lock your doors? start paying more attention? or when walking on the sidewalk a little late, no one else around and suddenly you see a black person coming towards you, dont you cross to the other sidewalk or just pay more attention on to what that person is going to do? these two are involuntary or unconscious ways of racism that exist even if someone is not racist and can be caused by stereotypes. at some point we can all be racist.


or better yet, only white people town and suddenly a non white person moves to town. and he starts receiving attention from everyone in the neighborhood. i dont mean negative attention, but special, people treating that person differently from the others. this can also be a type of racism
All of that is irrelevant if you go up the page and look at the complete definition. Are you not simply making up your own?
It is impossible to be accidently racist, even if its "unconscious racism", its not racism....because its not intentional.
locking your doors because you are afraid of someone "black" passing by isn't racism? Dude thats fear. You are not intending to offend that person in any way, you are trying to protect yourself.
Man this is getting so tiresome.....
ok, i get it. so racism never existed in european countries when slave trading with black people was legal right? in that time people believed black people were animals. so they were basically being treated as working animals. so im guessing black people now a days should not worry because that was not intentional. people really believed black people were soulless animals

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Re: Racism?
« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2012, 10:02:27 AM »
(Can you guys PLEASE start to respect opinions? Thank you.)

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Re: Racism?
« Reply #20 on: April 25, 2012, 10:04:00 AM »
ok, i get it. so racism never existed in european countries when slave trading with black people was legal right? in that time people believed black people were animals. so they were basically being treated as working animals. so im guessing black people now a days should not worry because that was not intentional. people really believed black people were soulless animals

I didn't see Pow say anything about what happened in the past.. You do realize we aren't responsible for what our ancestors did now do you? No offense but you're taking this a bit to serious mate..

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Re: Racism?
« Reply #21 on: April 25, 2012, 10:06:49 AM »
ok, i get it. so racism never existed in european countries when slave trading with black people was legal right? in that time people believed black people were animals. so they were basically being treated as working animals. so im guessing black people now a days should not worry because that was not intentional. people really believed black people were soulless animals
Uhhhh, you do realize that even back in those times people rightly knew that they were discriminating them by their color.....you know that right? They believed they were inferior and simply things to be used, because they were black and they had every intention to hurt them. However some simply found it as the norm and did it unconsciously (which wasn't racism because the people that WERE being racist, made it so common that it became not racist to others)
However thats in retrospect, I'm unsure if the term "racism" was formed back in those days. But it exists today and yes they were indeed racist.
I know it doesn't seem logical, but thats the definition and its something you are going to have to accept. Racism is based on intent. Don't like it? take it up with oxford. This really is a dead end debate because you are battling against something that has already been established.

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Re: Racism?
« Reply #22 on: April 25, 2012, 10:15:12 AM »
well. not all definitions are final


here i have a little definition of racism from the Royal Spanish Academy
Exacerbación del sentido racial de un grupo étnico, especialmente cuando convive con otro u otros.

in english: to cause racial awareness in an ethnic group. specially when coexisting with each other

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Re: Racism?
« Reply #23 on: April 25, 2012, 10:26:19 AM »
Quote from: Gloria Yamato
Blatant Racism: Outright racists that, without apology or confusion, tell people of color, that because of their color, they “don’t appeal to them.”
Covert Racism: When racists are being racist but just not saying it. For instance, upon seeing that a potential tenant is Indian, rather than saying it directly, a landlord will pull the apartment “off the market” without providing an explanation.
Unintentional Racism: “With the best of intentions, the best of educations, and the greatest generosity of heart, whites, operating on the misinformation fed to them from day one, will behave in ways that are racist, will perpetuate racism by being ‘nice’ the way we’re taught to be nice.”
Self-Righteous Racism: “The ‘good white’ racist attempts to shame Blacks into being blacker, scorns Japanese-Americans who don’t speak Japanese, and knows more about the Chicano/a community than the folks who make up the community.”
Internalized Racism: Stereotypes and attitudes of the white hegemonic system are internalized by members of oppressed groups and peoples and taken for truth or inform the ways they think about themselves and others from similar backgrounds or cultures.

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Re: Racism?
« Reply #24 on: April 25, 2012, 10:28:28 AM »
Well I guess I'll accept my defeat then. I apologize for any conflict I have caused.

 

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