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yeah but i still think the old games are somewhat better than the games of today
jup. there are too many new gamers who keep complaining if the graphics aren't good or the storry but you have to respect the games because else you will end up like the call of duty series.
Is it about the presentation or the gameplay...?I rather play a badly designed game with high fun factors then a top notch designed game that is basically sort of playing itself.
Plus, many studio's get ... well, negative stuff thrown at their direction when it wants to be too new... Okami... Perfect example of an epic underrated game.. It looks different but it's such a blast to play.
Quote from: NekoJonez on May 30, 2012, 02:23:12 PMIs it about the presentation or the gameplay...?I rather play a badly designed game with high fun factors then a top notch designed game that is basically sort of playing itself.So yes, I disagree with this. You're kind of saying that games that are good in graphics are weak in gameplay and games that are good in gameplay are likely to be bad in graphics.
In a way, yes I am saying that... Let me explain myself. I am under the impression that lately... It's more about the presentation and the looks of a game to sell at the stores then the gameplay. The core gameplay of most popular games is either... shooting OR exploring.
The games where guns didn't came into play that much like the old Tomb Raider games where there were more puzzles and more creativity... those days are kinda over.
With "weak gameplay" I mean that the recent games do nothing really new but rather perfect existing formula's. Each Call Of Duty is just another setting but the same basic routine. As far as I know and have heard... What is the last innovation that COD did in their series itself?
I admit... I spoke too general. But my point is... The studio's lately don't experiment enough and new things ... you don't see those too often.
Man, I love old games more than anyone, I still play them everyday, but new games are better. What NES game gives you the freedom of Fallout 3 or Skyrim? Wolfenstein 3D is shite next to MW3. Nostalgia plays a huge part in it and so does the console you own, if you don't have a PS3 you will never appreciate what games offer today. You like platformers like Super Mario Bros? Go play Rayman Origins and tell me it doesn't compare to Nintendo "fun" platformers.Yeah some Nintendo games are fun, but there is a fucking shit load of shovelware and endless sequels like pokemon that have just ran them into the ground. Let me ask you this: Why can't Nintendo put their games on a competitive console? Because when people have to pay top price for sequels and shovelware to cover the costs they will go buy the proper good stuff from developers that are really trying to push forward the industry.
* Sighs * So, it's not about having fun...? It's about having THE MOST POSSIBLE fun...? Sorry, but it's easy to see why a person would disagree here.
Sorry SMG but I DON'T THINK that's not tottaly true. not all new games are better.
Quote from: NekoJonez on May 30, 2012, 08:34:57 PM* Sighs * So, it's not about having fun...? It's about having THE MOST POSSIBLE fun...? Sorry, but it's easy to see why a person would disagree here.Not at all, why restrict fun? Why only give a little when better hardware allows more innovation and the ability to do everything better?Newer games are better than old games, or people wouldn't keep buying them they would just keep on playing the NES.
Quote from: msg on May 30, 2012, 08:52:14 PMQuote from: NekoJonez on May 30, 2012, 08:34:57 PM* Sighs * So, it's not about having fun...? It's about having THE MOST POSSIBLE fun...? Sorry, but it's easy to see why a person would disagree here.Not at all, why restrict fun? Why only give a little when better hardware allows more innovation and the ability to do everything better?Newer games are better than old games, or people wouldn't keep buying them they would just keep on playing the NES.Same thing... Why "better"..?
Quote from: NekoJonez on May 30, 2012, 10:17:31 PMQuote from: msg on May 30, 2012, 08:52:14 PMQuote from: NekoJonez on May 30, 2012, 08:34:57 PM* Sighs * So, it's not about having fun...? It's about having THE MOST POSSIBLE fun...? Sorry, but it's easy to see why a person would disagree here.Not at all, why restrict fun? Why only give a little when better hardware allows more innovation and the ability to do everything better?Newer games are better than old games, or people wouldn't keep buying them they would just keep on playing the NES.Same thing... Why "better"..?You know when people talk about the greatest games ever, they say OoT, FFVII etc? Well, is the fact that they JUST moved into 3D, giving gamers whole new areas of gaming and bringing gaming to a whole new level just a coincidence? No. It's because they made a huge leap FORWARD in technology and game design.
I can agree with that. BUT, does that make a console always better then another one...?According to me, it's not about the hardware but about the software. As far as I know... Your argument is actually in favor of Nintendo since they brought with all new console something totally new that brought that jump forward/
Quote from: NekoJonez on May 31, 2012, 10:02:07 AMI can agree with that. BUT, does that make a console always better then another one...?According to me, it's not about the hardware but about the software. As far as I know... Your argument is actually in favor of Nintendo since they brought with all new console something totally new that brought that jump forward/No Nintendo are the last with everything. PS was using CD's when N64 was stuck on carts restricting what the devs could do. PS2 was using DVD's and gamecube was using tiny little discs that again restricted what they could do. Wii's hardware is really poor, its basically a upgraded gamecube and PS3 is using 50gb bluray discs and HD. The DS wasn't even the first handheld with stylus and touchscreen, they took it from another handheld that didn't attract developers. 3D has been around since god knows, at least the 1950's.What I'm saying is, the more powerful, the more storage space, the more devs can do. They can still make the same game as on a Nintendo machine, but can add another 5 levels and do it in HD, because they have that option and don't have to restrict their games or creativity as much. The same with handheld vs console, they can make the exact same game, same gameplay, everything, but make it much bigger, better looking, more things to do, more stuff to see when they have that extra horsepower, but the "fun" gameplay can remain the same.
Okay, I can agree somewhat with that. But at the other hand... Sometimes it's not such a good idea to put EVERY EVERYTHING in a game... A game can be fun when it has flaws to discover... Perfect doesn't exist after all...