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And this is where I step in.Quote from: FireKuraWolf on July 08, 2012, 03:54:15 AMQuote from: FireKuraWolf on July 08, 2012, 03:54:15 AMMy views about Religion. Warning, don't read this if you are easily offended or something, it is highly criticizing and it's just me stating what I think, I am not trying to offend anyone. (click to show/hide)-The Bible is too wrong in too many ways, and extremely controversial. It probably got manipulated in the times before books became common, if it really was written by the prophets of God. (click to show/hide)Yes, this was explained to us in class. They taught us not to read the Bible as a history book, but something else. You take a guess what it is. I can't quite put it in words. (click to show/hide) Indeed. They are supposed to be something similar to fables, a different way of explaining things...at least that's how I put it into words. I don't know how to reply to this properly, much to my unamusement, but I felt I should keep this as an addendum. -I believe Religion is based solely on faith. If you do not have faith, there is no way you can have a religion, no matter how much you try. In my personal opinion, it's more about blindly following; If you question it too much, chances are your faith will disappear. (click to show/hide)You can compare it to, for example, you questioning the motives of your employer. The more you question his motives, the more you lose your trust in him. The more you question your family, the more you mistrust them. It's a natural reaction. (click to show/hide)You got me there.-Religion is something very convenient for the government, teaching people to become contempt with few, as they will receive their reward in Heaven. (click to show/hide)Separation of the Church and the State. The government can't take advantage of this because the government cannot force religion into other people nor can religion be implemented in national causes. They could have. Maybe if it was a a century or two ago. They can't now. (click to show/hide) That does not change what I said. State still does benefit from religion, and religion is part of the reason we do not have Death Penalty. Considering about 70 percent or so of the population is religious, the laws are, in one way or another, affected by it.-The ideals in the Bible, are, mostly, good. Of course, I support being good for other people, donating to charity, not murdering/stealing/raping etc. However, I believe that, to have true value, those should be done because people WANT to do it, because people do it, and not because people are afraid of the divine wrath. (click to show/hide)"Divine Wrath". Yes, this is another misconception about Christianity and Catholicism. Christians and Catholics aren't afraid of divine wrath. Rather, they are afraid of their relationship with their God being deteriorated. AKA, Loss of faith. (click to show/hide) Sorry for my misconception. What I might have meant was, because people are, depending on the religion, afraid of divine wrath or of going to hell. Because they fear some kind of punishment, in whichever form. Even in spiritism, where there is no Hell, people might do good because they want to get to Heaven, not because they are good, even if said religion says that being good doesn't matter if you're only good to get to Heaven.-Althrough many religions do not, I support Death Penalty. Not sure if relevant, but whatever. (click to show/hide)... Not exactly relevant.-Most of the people who believe in God don't really follow his ideals. Most people are hypocrites, whether or not they will admit it. Christian, Hebrew, Atheist, Hindu or whatever, nobody is perfect. People WILL do wrong stuff. (click to show/hide)I actually agree here. But what of the others who decide to devote themselves to religion? (click to show/hide) Which is why I said "Most people", and even in the ones who "devote" themselves, there are hypocrites and liars...but then again, they are everywhere.-If God is all-knowing and all-seeing, what's the point of praying at all? In fact, what would be the point of life? It couldn't be a trial, He'd already know the result. (click to show/hide)The point of religion is having faith. You trust your life in God, but at the same time make an effort to life. "Help me help you", like they say. You trust your worries that you can't do anything about to God, but you make an effort to those the worries that you can change. (click to show/hide)This wasn't quite the question; I meant to ask, why pray? God already knows your problems, he already knows the solutions, and he already knows whether you do or not love him. Some people say life is a trial to see whether you go to Heaven or Hell, but God wouldn't need that, he'd already know the result, after all, he's all-powerful and all-seeing.Also, I don't believe in "If you're a nonbeliever, you will go to hell" stuff. It does seem discriminating. (click to show/hide)Agreed.OH GOD, I'M SUCKED INTO THE DEBATE!Once again, not trying to be disrespectful. However, I believe you misinterpreted some of what I said, and hope this clears things up.
Quote from: FireKuraWolf on July 08, 2012, 03:54:15 AMMy views about Religion. Warning, don't read this if you are easily offended or something, it is highly criticizing and it's just me stating what I think, I am not trying to offend anyone. (click to show/hide)-The Bible is too wrong in too many ways, and extremely controversial. It probably got manipulated in the times before books became common, if it really was written by the prophets of God. (click to show/hide)Yes, this was explained to us in class. They taught us not to read the Bible as a history book, but something else. You take a guess what it is. I can't quite put it in words. (click to show/hide) Indeed. They are supposed to be something similar to fables, a different way of explaining things...at least that's how I put it into words. I don't know how to reply to this properly, much to my unamusement, but I felt I should keep this as an addendum. -I believe Religion is based solely on faith. If you do not have faith, there is no way you can have a religion, no matter how much you try. In my personal opinion, it's more about blindly following; If you question it too much, chances are your faith will disappear. (click to show/hide)You can compare it to, for example, you questioning the motives of your employer. The more you question his motives, the more you lose your trust in him. The more you question your family, the more you mistrust them. It's a natural reaction. (click to show/hide)You got me there.-Religion is something very convenient for the government, teaching people to become contempt with few, as they will receive their reward in Heaven. (click to show/hide)Separation of the Church and the State. The government can't take advantage of this because the government cannot force religion into other people nor can religion be implemented in national causes. They could have. Maybe if it was a a century or two ago. They can't now. (click to show/hide) That does not change what I said. State still does benefit from religion, and religion is part of the reason we do not have Death Penalty. Considering about 70 percent or so of the population is religious, the laws are, in one way or another, affected by it.-The ideals in the Bible, are, mostly, good. Of course, I support being good for other people, donating to charity, not murdering/stealing/raping etc. However, I believe that, to have true value, those should be done because people WANT to do it, because people do it, and not because people are afraid of the divine wrath. (click to show/hide)"Divine Wrath". Yes, this is another misconception about Christianity and Catholicism. Christians and Catholics aren't afraid of divine wrath. Rather, they are afraid of their relationship with their God being deteriorated. AKA, Loss of faith. (click to show/hide) Sorry for my misconception. What I might have meant was, because people are, depending on the religion, afraid of divine wrath or of going to hell. Because they fear some kind of punishment, in whichever form. Even in spiritism, where there is no Hell, people might do good because they want to get to Heaven, not because they are good, even if said religion says that being good doesn't matter if you're only good to get to Heaven.-Althrough many religions do not, I support Death Penalty. Not sure if relevant, but whatever. (click to show/hide)... Not exactly relevant.-Most of the people who believe in God don't really follow his ideals. Most people are hypocrites, whether or not they will admit it. Christian, Hebrew, Atheist, Hindu or whatever, nobody is perfect. People WILL do wrong stuff. (click to show/hide)I actually agree here. But what of the others who decide to devote themselves to religion? (click to show/hide) Which is why I said "Most people", and even in the ones who "devote" themselves, there are hypocrites and liars...but then again, they are everywhere.-If God is all-knowing and all-seeing, what's the point of praying at all? In fact, what would be the point of life? It couldn't be a trial, He'd already know the result. (click to show/hide)The point of religion is having faith. You trust your life in God, but at the same time make an effort to life. "Help me help you", like they say. You trust your worries that you can't do anything about to God, but you make an effort to those the worries that you can change. (click to show/hide)This wasn't quite the question; I meant to ask, why pray? God already knows your problems, he already knows the solutions, and he already knows whether you do or not love him. Some people say life is a trial to see whether you go to Heaven or Hell, but God wouldn't need that, he'd already know the result, after all, he's all-powerful and all-seeing.Also, I don't believe in "If you're a nonbeliever, you will go to hell" stuff. It does seem discriminating. (click to show/hide)Agreed.OH GOD, I'M SUCKED INTO THE DEBATE!
My views about Religion. Warning, don't read this if you are easily offended or something, it is highly criticizing and it's just me stating what I think, I am not trying to offend anyone. (click to show/hide)-The Bible is too wrong in too many ways, and extremely controversial. It probably got manipulated in the times before books became common, if it really was written by the prophets of God. (click to show/hide)Yes, this was explained to us in class. They taught us not to read the Bible as a history book, but something else. You take a guess what it is. I can't quite put it in words. (click to show/hide) Indeed. They are supposed to be something similar to fables, a different way of explaining things...at least that's how I put it into words. I don't know how to reply to this properly, much to my unamusement, but I felt I should keep this as an addendum. -I believe Religion is based solely on faith. If you do not have faith, there is no way you can have a religion, no matter how much you try. In my personal opinion, it's more about blindly following; If you question it too much, chances are your faith will disappear. (click to show/hide)You can compare it to, for example, you questioning the motives of your employer. The more you question his motives, the more you lose your trust in him. The more you question your family, the more you mistrust them. It's a natural reaction. (click to show/hide)You got me there.-Religion is something very convenient for the government, teaching people to become contempt with few, as they will receive their reward in Heaven. (click to show/hide)Separation of the Church and the State. The government can't take advantage of this because the government cannot force religion into other people nor can religion be implemented in national causes. They could have. Maybe if it was a a century or two ago. They can't now. (click to show/hide) That does not change what I said. State still does benefit from religion, and religion is part of the reason we do not have Death Penalty. Considering about 70 percent or so of the population is religious, the laws are, in one way or another, affected by it.-The ideals in the Bible, are, mostly, good. Of course, I support being good for other people, donating to charity, not murdering/stealing/raping etc. However, I believe that, to have true value, those should be done because people WANT to do it, because people do it, and not because people are afraid of the divine wrath. (click to show/hide)"Divine Wrath". Yes, this is another misconception about Christianity and Catholicism. Christians and Catholics aren't afraid of divine wrath. Rather, they are afraid of their relationship with their God being deteriorated. AKA, Loss of faith. (click to show/hide) Sorry for my misconception. What I might have meant was, because people are, depending on the religion, afraid of divine wrath or of going to hell. Because they fear some kind of punishment, in whichever form. Even in spiritism, where there is no Hell, people might do good because they want to get to Heaven, not because they are good, even if said religion says that being good doesn't matter if you're only good to get to Heaven.-Althrough many religions do not, I support Death Penalty. Not sure if relevant, but whatever. (click to show/hide)... Not exactly relevant.-Most of the people who believe in God don't really follow his ideals. Most people are hypocrites, whether or not they will admit it. Christian, Hebrew, Atheist, Hindu or whatever, nobody is perfect. People WILL do wrong stuff. (click to show/hide)I actually agree here. But what of the others who decide to devote themselves to religion? (click to show/hide) Which is why I said "Most people", and even in the ones who "devote" themselves, there are hypocrites and liars...but then again, they are everywhere.-If God is all-knowing and all-seeing, what's the point of praying at all? In fact, what would be the point of life? It couldn't be a trial, He'd already know the result. (click to show/hide)The point of religion is having faith. You trust your life in God, but at the same time make an effort to life. "Help me help you", like they say. You trust your worries that you can't do anything about to God, but you make an effort to those the worries that you can change. (click to show/hide)This wasn't quite the question; I meant to ask, why pray? God already knows your problems, he already knows the solutions, and he already knows whether you do or not love him. Some people say life is a trial to see whether you go to Heaven or Hell, but God wouldn't need that, he'd already know the result, after all, he's all-powerful and all-seeing.
Quoteception.
Religon can go to hell. All its done fer me is make my life stricter.
Quote from: FireKuraWolf on July 08, 2012, 05:14:42 AMQuoteception.A confusing one, at that. :\Quote from: Nakouma Ippantekina Kyōmūrian on July 08, 2012, 05:06:57 AMReligon can go to hell. All its done fer me is make my life stricter.And this is plain insulting but still understandable. Still, too much porn can be bad for your health, you know. Even in a scientific point of view. Ever heard of the guy who fapped 41 times and died?
Quote from: BloodcatNS on July 08, 2012, 05:22:18 AMQuote from: FireKuraWolf on July 08, 2012, 05:14:42 AMQuoteception.A confusing one, at that. :\Quote from: Nakouma Ippantekina Kyōmūrian on July 08, 2012, 05:06:57 AMReligon can go to hell. All its done fer me is make my life stricter.And this is plain insulting but still understandable. Still, too much porn can be bad for your health, you know. Even in a scientific point of view. Ever heard of the guy who fapped 41 times and died?This is a debate so meh :p and nope, is that true? o.o
It is true.BTW, did you guys know that Allan Kardek's Spiritism supports evolutionism and the big bang theory and whatnot? Only it says that God prompted these to happening.
Bleh, there are too many versions of too many stories in too many religions to take everything literally. Some say Adam and Eve weren't even the first ones.
Scientists don't work to prove you wrong, they work to show the truth to the ones who didn't get their brain scrambled when they were young.
My intention was to point out exactly what I believe is wrong with religion, all the inaccuracies in the bible and even if it were true, why I think it's unfair and wrong.
Like I said, it wasn't made to be read as a history book. Think of it as a moral guideline.
I just had another thought. If you're the only believer in your friends and family (my gf is the only regious person I know) then would heaven be heaven without all your loved ones?
Dunno. I've never believed in the "You'll go to hell if you don't believe" stuff.
In heaven, of course you will still love them, but there will be sooooo much to the point where your mind doesn't even think of them.Plus, if you are ever even the slightest bit of bored, whatever it is you feel will ease that boredom will be yours
there will be sooooo much to the point where your mind doesn't even think of them.
So.. Why bother spending time on something that isn't going to change anything in the future?
well... lets look at it thos way.... this debate.... it will NEVER be won by either party....
My aim was never to prove or win my point of the debate. I'm just here to point some clarifications about Christianity and Catholicism. And post some other stuff I believe in.
The fact that there are other beliefs are in one religion... Like groups and such with there own stories without the main church complaining is enough proof for me.