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Ico and Shadows of the Colossus are two very underrated games. If I had to choose any game to win the debate of "Is gaming an art?" I would chose those two, they are very beautiful games. In looks and in story.They are kind of well known, but not universally loved like they should be.
Quote from: Mr.PowPow on May 02, 2012, 11:09:13 PMIco and Shadows of the Colossus are two very underrated games. If I had to choose any game to win the debate of "Is gaming an art?" I would chose those two, they are very beautiful games. In looks and in story.They are kind of well known, but not universally loved like they should be. Yes gaming is an art. But it's more the graphics alone.
Quote from: Mr.PowPow on May 02, 2012, 11:09:13 PMIco and Shadows of the Colossus are two very underrated games. If I had to choose any game to win the debate of "Is gaming an art?" I would chose those two, they are very beautiful games. In looks and in story.They are kind of well known, but not universally loved like they should be.Yes gaming is an art. But it's more the graphics alone.
Quote from: NekoJonez on May 03, 2012, 10:21:37 AMQuote from: Mr.PowPow on May 02, 2012, 11:09:13 PMIco and Shadows of the Colossus are two very underrated games. If I had to choose any game to win the debate of "Is gaming an art?" I would chose those two, they are very beautiful games. In looks and in story.They are kind of well known, but not universally loved like they should be.Yes gaming is an art. But it's more the graphics alone.You're implying that graphics alone make gaming an art? or make an artistic game? I must greatly disagree. Its what the game symbolizes and what its message is that makes it art. Sure the way the game looks plays an important factor, but its an equal balance of grace and beauty that makes it shine. I mean by those standards, the latest Final Fantasy's would be art due to their beautiful graphics and style, but sadly its story is lackluster and thats why the news ones will never be "Art". Play Ico and Shadow of the Colossus and you will understand.
Quote from: Mr.PowPow on May 03, 2012, 04:20:28 PMQuote from: NekoJonez on May 03, 2012, 10:21:37 AMQuote from: Mr.PowPow on May 02, 2012, 11:09:13 PMIco and Shadows of the Colossus are two very underrated games. If I had to choose any game to win the debate of "Is gaming an art?" I would chose those two, they are very beautiful games. In looks and in story.They are kind of well known, but not universally loved like they should be.Yes gaming is an art. But it's more the graphics alone.You're implying that graphics alone make gaming an art? or make an artistic game? I must greatly disagree. Its what the game symbolizes and what its message is that makes it art. Sure the way the game looks plays an important factor, but its an equal balance of grace and beauty that makes it shine. I mean by those standards, the latest Final Fantasy's would be art due to their beautiful graphics and style, but sadly its story is lackluster and thats why the news ones will never be "Art". Play Ico and Shadow of the Colossus and you will understand.Err... I think you read over the "more" I said. And as retro gamer... an game is an art form... but the "art" of a game... Well, actually... It's how you look at it. Graphical designers see the graphics, music guys see the music... So yeah...
Again, it's how you look at it. Yes, games are art to me... But it's more then the graphics... And I NEVER said that they need to be top notch... An anime style can do the trick too... Like take for example Okami. That is a beautiful game but is the best prettiest game of the market? I don't think so... It's getting close but HD and all... Yeah.For me I look at the game as a whole... Does the game look nice, is the gameplay deep, is there a good story... Like elements that you look for in a movie or video... Everything needs to come together in one nice package. I once started to play a RPG ... I got bored because I found that the graphics were out of the theme.
I think its strange to say that a game can be art if it has better graphics than it does story. Or better story and lackluster graphics. It needs to be balanced.
Dominance of story=badDominance of music= bad
Quote from: Mr.PowPow on May 03, 2012, 04:44:10 PMI think its strange to say that a game can be art if it has better graphics than it does story. Or better story and lackluster graphics. It needs to be balanced.Agreed. But I don't see how you can compare a story to the graphics... But you can say that the graphics don't set the tone that the story is trying to set.Quote from: Mr.PowPow on May 03, 2012, 04:44:10 PMDominance of story=badDominance of music= badBut here I disagree. Dominance of the story = visual novelDominance of the music = Music & rhythm games?
Well in summary I will accept Jonez's point that other games that specialize in certain things, can be gaming art in their own respect. Given that they excel in their specialization.But for games that try to excel in absolutely everything (which is a common trait for RPG's) then I believe that everything needs to be equal, otherwise the aspects of the game will be all fighting for dominance and it will ruin the flow of the game. Not noticeably, but you won't walk away with the feeling of "Hey, that game is like.....amazing...truly amazing".
Quote from: Mr.PowPow on May 03, 2012, 05:00:17 PMWell in summary I will accept Jonez's point that other games that specialize in certain things, can be gaming art in their own respect. Given that they excel in their specialization.But for games that try to excel in absolutely everything (which is a common trait for RPG's) then I believe that everything needs to be equal, otherwise the aspects of the game will be all fighting for dominance and it will ruin the flow of the game. Not noticeably, but you won't walk away with the feeling of "Hey, that game is like.....amazing...truly amazing".Yesh. That's my point. This is how I look at games. The game must give you a good feeling... no matter how it does it. Heck, if you don't like a certain game like... for me, for example, it would be a (sorry) fighting game... But that doesn't mean that the fighting games are no art. I am just not a part of the audience that considers it as an art.But lets prove our point by asking the question once... "What could make a game different from arts?"
Being too equal in its factors can make the game bland. Cliche. Common. It has to have something that can divert itself from its own genre. That doesn't necessarily mean that it HAS to sacrifice one aspect or another.
Gaming isn't the same as making games. Your debate is invalid.
thatgamecompany. Nothing more needs to be said.
Quote from: CarolineJohnson on May 03, 2012, 06:00:37 PMthatgamecompany. Nothing more needs to be said.Paradox InteractiveArenaNethave to be mentioned aswell