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Title: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Mr.PowPow on March 27, 2012, 01:40:20 PM
The title is self-explanitory, this debate has raged on for....so long. It doesnt have a real answer and probably never will, but its a hot debated topic and I'd like to hear your views on the subject. So, is there a God/Deity/Almighty being?
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: O:\msg on March 27, 2012, 01:45:41 PM
The only god is me, the other guy's a fake.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Kiss x Miz on March 27, 2012, 08:31:25 PM
Religion is like shrooms, it can make things like unicorns reality.
Science is 90% proving things that don't need to be proven.

I believe in my interests.

The only god is me, the other guy's a fake.
I didn't know Buddha lived in the UK
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: NekoLelouche on March 27, 2012, 09:04:52 PM
Religion is like shrooms, it can make things like unicorns reality.
Science is 90% proving things that don't need to be proven.

I believe in my interests.





I could not agree more
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: iluvfupaburgers on March 28, 2012, 03:24:56 AM
this is how i see it. if people believe in something, than it exists. when they stop believing in it, it stops existing (this usually applies to ideas, religion) i am a non believer since i believe science can explain many things, but i think religion is a good way of making people feel secure of what there is after death
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: O:\msg on March 28, 2012, 09:30:44 AM
With religion comes good christian morals, I don't believe in god but people nowadays don't have the morals and sense of good our grandparents did and its making the world a worse place. Lets just pretend there's a god and all strive to be better people.
Seriously, screw science, lets all be nice to thy neighbour and shalt not steal from each other and all the other good stuff.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: shredc0re on March 28, 2012, 11:18:54 AM
I don't believe in any God. However I do believe in reincarnation because it feels kinda logical to me.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Cupcake Fury on March 28, 2012, 05:43:32 PM
I don't believe in any God. However I do believe in reincarnation because it feels kinda logical to me.
That seems like me, despite my religon.
tbh, I'm kinda forced to go to church, I just want to sit on my lazy ass and play games all day long
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: NekoJonez on March 28, 2012, 05:48:59 PM
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(Got it from NekoSmash's Tumblr.)
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Kiss x Miz on March 28, 2012, 06:52:12 PM
I just want to sit on my lazy ass and play games all day long
Amen
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: shredc0re on March 28, 2012, 08:42:33 PM
I just want to sit on my lazy ass and play games all day long
Amen
Amen to that amen to that post brothers! Let us start the Church of LazyAssGamers! CUBED IS OUR MESSIAH!
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Mr.PowPow on March 28, 2012, 09:20:16 PM
I just want to sit on my lazy ass and play games all day long
Amen
Amen to that amen to that post brothers! Let us start the Church of LazyAssGamers! CUBED IS OUR MESSIAH!
And then 1000 years later people will debate CUBED's existance
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: dark 5FVD on March 30, 2012, 09:52:29 PM
i rather believe in the science and not in GOD.
because science seems more logical than an almighthy thing

Because God takes people away from this world with a reason some way too early. also he is tired after a few day's working.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Mr.PowPow on April 03, 2012, 09:43:40 AM
Because God takes people away from this world with a reason some way too early
True but isn't heaven meant to be better than Earth? If you think about it from God's perspective Earth may be nothing but a trial to see whether they are to be sent to bliss (Heaven) or punishment (Hell). The ones that die may just have been judged early, if you think about it like that then it doesn't seem so bad.
Also if we try to explain God using science, it can partially be done. If energy cannot be destroyed only converted into something else and trasferred, then it is (for lack of a better word) immortal, no?
Also energy is everywhere, so what else is everywhere and also immortal?
The so called God. He could just be a mass of energy, maybe he is a more larger life form, a product of evolution that came before us? There is no evidence that we are the first self-aware beings to come into the universe. So maybe its possible, however this is all speculation.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: dark 5FVD on April 03, 2012, 09:47:44 AM
well in my eyes and i'm sorry for the christian's here GOD is STUUUUUUUUPID and i hate him. he took somebody from near me way to early to his so called beter life.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Mr.PowPow on April 03, 2012, 09:55:20 AM
Well I'm sorry for your loss, and I'm not saying he is real, I'm just opening up the possibilities of his existence.
I don't think its the idea of God thats really stupid (to me anyway), just his followers, some of them tend to take things to the extreme. Much like Justin Bieber and his followers~


Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: dark 5FVD on April 03, 2012, 09:58:04 AM
but there is one litle diference there we can kill justin bieber but we can't kill god or can we??? hmmmmmmmm brb i'm gonna try something.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Mr.PowPow on April 03, 2012, 10:01:35 AM
I like to think that if God exists, then Justin Bieber was just a joke that he took too far. Yanno like when a guy at a party is drunk and takes a whizz in the punch, at the time its kinda funny but then you realize you actually wanted some of that punch :/

Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: shredc0re on April 03, 2012, 12:37:25 PM
I am the alpha omega sent here to expose your lies, I am your God now!
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: PriomBlazer on April 03, 2012, 02:17:42 PM
I am the alpha omega sent here to expose your lies, I am your God now!
I object! Your the sandwich I forgot to eat
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Kiss x Miz on April 03, 2012, 04:29:01 PM
I am the alpha omega sent here to expose your lies, I am your God now!
Gods usually don't have people above them.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: NekoJonez on April 11, 2012, 11:40:36 PM
God...

Well, there are too many to really make me believe there is one.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Kiss x Miz on April 12, 2012, 12:30:30 PM
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Swagmaster on April 15, 2012, 09:00:15 PM
im not mentioning my religion. But I do indeed believe in god. Honestly, science makes so much sense to me, and all sciences fit together like pieces of a puzzle so well to the point to where it is IMPOSSIBLE to be all a coincidence. Gravity, position of earth, the sun, the whole universe, the complexity of life.  It's all too small of a possibility to be a coincident.

There has to be someone behind all this. That one is god
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Mr.PowPow on April 15, 2012, 09:12:34 PM
Science explains how it all happened, but rarely explains why. Maybe God is the answer to why and not to how?
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Swagmaster on April 15, 2012, 09:16:23 PM
Exactly. Plus, believing in god gives people purpose to live. I honestly don't know why atheists choose to live if they can't find that purpose
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Mr.PowPow on April 15, 2012, 09:31:27 PM
Athiests tend to feel happy with themselves when they are young, but mostly when they get to old age they become afraid of death and turn to God. Abandoning their beliefs for a shred of hope.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Kiss x Miz on April 15, 2012, 10:51:07 PM
Athiests tend to feel happy with themselves when they are young, but mostly when they get to old age they become afraid of death and turn to God. Abandoning their beliefs for a shred of hope.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Mr.PowPow on April 15, 2012, 10:57:05 PM
Athiests tend to feel happy with themselves when they are young, but mostly when they get to old age they become afraid of death and turn to God. Abandoning their beliefs for a shred of hope.

"I had a dog for 15 years, guess what? Still a dog"
Man his vids never fail to crack me up lol
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Kiss x Miz on April 15, 2012, 11:00:11 PM
"I had a dog for 15 years, guess what? Still a dog"
Man his vids never fail to crack me up lol
He's from Belgium you know :P
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Mr.PowPow on April 15, 2012, 11:02:51 PM
"I had a dog for 15 years, guess what? Still a dog"
Man his vids never fail to crack me up lol
He's from Belgium you know :P
He's an actor right? Please tell me that is just acting O.O
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Kiss x Miz on April 15, 2012, 11:04:22 PM
He's an actor right? Please tell me that is just acting O.O
Well on the channel OGFurious he acts like that. If you want to see him talk seriously about things, you gotta check out his other channel DeanLeysen.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Mr.PowPow on April 15, 2012, 11:09:37 PM
He's an actor right? Please tell me that is just acting O.O
Well on the channel OGFurious he acts like that. If you want to see him talk seriously about things, you gotta check out his other channel DeanLeysen.
Ah well thats good~
But still, I'm Agnostic anyhoo~
I'll fight for or against :p
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Kiss x Miz on April 15, 2012, 11:52:00 PM
Ah well thats good~
But still, I'm Agnostic anyhoo~
I'll fight for or against :p
He's neither for or against, he just explains the reasons of both sides and what both sides think of each other, so there'd be less ignorance when it comes to argueing.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Toffee on April 16, 2012, 12:28:14 AM
Belief in something isn't something you "choose". It is an inherent trait that is unique to each individual and cannot be forcefully changed.
I've seen the arguments for the existence of God, and I have heard all the threats and consequences. But no matter what I do, or anyone else for that matter, I can't just up and start "believing".

I remember a quote once that went:

"I want to believe in the existence of heaven and God... Truly I do... But I just can't"

If a person believes that God is real, let him believe it. If a person believes that God isn't real, so be it.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Mr.PowPow on April 16, 2012, 12:32:14 AM
Belief in something isn't something you choose? I'm pretty sure it is lol
By that logic, conversion to other faiths is non-existent. People are in total control of what they believe in, however some are groomed into faith at young ages.
however you are right in the sense that people should let others believe what they wish to believe, conflict between atheists and theists gets out of hand sometimes, both can be rather aggressive (however I do have to note that atheists are usually the ones to fan the flames, especially on the net)
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: shredc0re on April 16, 2012, 01:34:09 PM
Mother nature is the answer to Why. In my opinion, atleast. The stuff that happens is because it's the way of nature, not because some gibberish God wants it.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Kiss x Miz on April 16, 2012, 05:35:58 PM
Belief in something isn't something you "choose".
I choose to believe I don't give a damn about my religion. I don't believe there's a god, neither do I believe there isn't. I do not care about MY religion.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Swagmaster on April 18, 2012, 12:56:18 AM
Belief in something isn't something you "choose". It is an inherent trait that is unique to each individual and cannot be forcefully changed.
I've seen the arguments for the existence of God, and I have heard all the threats and consequences. But no matter what I do, or anyone else for that matter, I can't just up and start "believing".

I remember a quote once that went:

"I want to believe in the existence of heaven and God... Truly I do... But I just can't"

If a person believes that God is real, let him believe it. If a person believes that God isn't real, so be it.

of course we have the choice. The person who said that quote must be retarded. How can you want to believe, but can't? It is YOUR choice. If you want to believe, that means you do believe.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Kiss x Miz on April 18, 2012, 01:01:51 AM
of course we have the choice. The person who said that quote must be retarded. How can you want to believe, but can't? It is YOUR choice. If you want to believe, that means you do believe.
Unless you're a muslim in countries where state and church aren't seperated yet. You would become an outcast if you live long enough.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Mr.PowPow on April 18, 2012, 01:09:47 AM
of course we have the choice. The person who said that quote must be retarded. How can you want to believe, but can't? It is YOUR choice. If you want to believe, that means you do believe.
Unless you're a muslim in countries where state and church aren't seperated yet. You would become an outcast if you live long enough.
Yeah but despite that, its still a choice. Its a hard choice, Personal belief or acceptance, but its still a choice.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: dark 5FVD on April 18, 2012, 07:41:50 AM
I'm starting to believe in religion but an new kind my god his name is Headhunterz XD
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: shredc0re on April 18, 2012, 09:18:43 AM
There is no God.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Kiss x Miz on April 18, 2012, 10:15:24 AM
There is no God.
Quote (selected)
Jesus is God.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: shredc0re on April 18, 2012, 10:21:13 AM
There is no jezus.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Kiss x Miz on April 18, 2012, 10:34:40 AM
There is no jezus.
Not anymore there's not.

He got slaughtered on a cross, rotten in a mountain. Then he became a part of us all... gross.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: shredc0re on April 18, 2012, 11:07:03 AM
So there is no God ;)
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Mr.PowPow on April 21, 2012, 12:48:16 PM
He's in all of us, in our hearts *cue boxed "Awwww"*
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: O:\msg on April 21, 2012, 12:53:27 PM
But didn't he rise from the dead?
What happened to him in the end anyway? I never stayed awake that long.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Mr.PowPow on April 21, 2012, 12:58:16 PM
But didn't he rise from the dead?
What happened to him in the end anyway? I never stayed awake that long.
He rose from the dead and then guided the apostles for 40 days, then ascended into heaven. However its revealed that he made them believe that it was truly him by letting them feel the holes in his hands and the spear wound in his side. So like, he retained all the wounds from before he died....I think we know what this means. Right?
Zombie.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: O:\msg on April 21, 2012, 01:05:20 PM
Ah, so Jesus is the guy I have to thank for inventing zombies. Cool, I would go to church if I got to do a zombie rampage on a sunday morning.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Swagmaster on June 08, 2012, 12:17:18 AM
Sorry for those of you who might consider this off-topic, but Jay-Z said in the song 'No Church in the Wild' :

Human Beings in a mob
What's a mob to a king?
What's a king to a God?
What's a God to a non-believer, who don't believe in anything.

You guys may interpret it differently but I take it to mean as in a human is not powerful compared to a mob and a mob is nothing compared to a king and a king is nothing compared to a god

He's saying God is the most powerful. Except to those who don't believe in him. Then they become the most powerful "beings"

He's saying to nonbelievers that they believe they are all powerful and too arrogant to think of something being greater than them (I am NOT, repeating NOT ATTACKING NON-BELIEVERS).

So try and think about what happens after you leave? What happens to you, the "all powerful?" Who will take your "throne." Think about it.

Like I said, this is how I interpreted it
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: NekoJonez on June 08, 2012, 11:43:30 AM
I have one question... Almost every religion believes in one of more gods... But if there is a higher being... Which religion is right ....?
It's a mystery and it actually really gets my writers instinct working.

Sometimes I think that it is just a sort of natural instinct... As in... Not being able to defend yourself in real life and for that believing in something that "guides" and "protects" you. Since it's a primal instinct to look for those things no?
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Kiss x Miz on June 08, 2012, 01:22:55 PM
I have one question... Almost every religion believes in one of more gods... But if there is a higher being... Which religion is right ....?
It's a mystery and it actually really gets my writers instinct working.

Sometimes I think that it is just a sort of natural instinct... As in... Not being able to defend yourself in real life and for that believing in something that "guides" and "protects" you. Since it's a primal instinct to look for those things no?
Such a stupid question :P
Every religion just thinks every other religion is wrong or not as "complete" as theirs.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: O:\msg on June 08, 2012, 01:28:34 PM
People are just scared of dying and been forever gone, they don't want their life to be meaningless and worth nothing, they look to comfort themselves.
The only good thing in religion is the morals that come with it, if everybody followed christian morals(or other religions) like thou shalt not steal, thou shalt not murder, thou shalt not play shitty games etc, the world would be a much better place.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Kiss x Miz on June 08, 2012, 01:30:23 PM
People are just scared of dying and been forever gone, they don't want their life to be meaningless and worth nothing, they look to comfort themselves.
The only good thing in religion is the morals that come with it, if everybody followed christian morals(or other religions) like thou shalt not steal, thou shalt not murder, thou shalt not play shitty games etc, the world would be a much better place.
Ehh, I beg to differ. Look at the 1950s and start hating.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: O:\msg on June 08, 2012, 01:32:47 PM
In the 1950s you could leave your door unlocked, there wasn't druggies on every corner robbing old grannys handbags and there wasn't half the peadophile cases that there is today.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Kiss x Miz on June 08, 2012, 01:35:26 PM
there wasn't half the peadophile cases that there is today.
Nope. At LEAST double. Believe me. Those sick priests. :P
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: O:\msg on June 08, 2012, 01:40:29 PM
Well they clearly weren't following christian morals, and now its overspilling into everyday society, the problem is nobody has any respect for anybody else now. Democracy has peaked and now gone too far, the average person has more rights than the country as a whole. Trip over the pavement and you sue the local council for thousands, its never your fault for not fucking looking where you were going, and nobody is ever gracious enough to accept it was an accident and not intentional, all they see is money money money. People need to wind their neck in and stop been selfish, treat each other the way they want to be treated themselves and work together for the good of society, not take everything they can, just because they can.

I strongly believe a society based on christian morals would be a better place to live, you don't have to believe in god, just in respecting others.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Kiss x Miz on June 08, 2012, 01:54:39 PM
I don't sue pavements o.o
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: O:\msg on June 08, 2012, 01:56:48 PM
I don't sue pavements o.o
Nobody does:
Quote from: msg
Trip over the pavement and you sue the local council
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Kiss x Miz on June 08, 2012, 02:00:30 PM
I mean, people sue other people for shooting them, but also sue the company that made the gun, the store that sold the gun...
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: O:\msg on June 08, 2012, 02:09:18 PM
I mean, people sue other people for shooting them, but also sue the company that made the gun, the store that sold the gun...
Greed.
My friend, or should I say former friend, got ran over before. Totally his fault, he ran into the road drunk and got hit by two cars, the second of which was a young kid just on his first drive after passing his test. I saved his life and when he got out of hospital he tried suing the council. I wouldn't lie and I told the truth that he ran into the road and there were no obstructions blocking his view etc, it was all him. We're no longer friends.
He should have been paying for those two cars, the selfish cunt never gave one thought to anybody else.

I have morals, I won't lie or do anybody wrong, I accept my responsibilities and I believe others should do the same.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Swagmaster on June 08, 2012, 03:13:01 PM
People are just scared of dying and been forever gone, they don't want their life to be meaningless and worth nothing, they look to comfort themselves.
The only good thing in religion is the morals that come with it, if everybody followed christian morals(or other religions) like thou shalt not steal, thou shalt not murder, thou shalt not play shitty games etc, the world would be a much better place.
| understand what your saying msg, but that is nowhere near the truth of why people worship god... Believe me, I have questioned my religion SOOO many times, and no matter what the question, I always find the answer. And it just all- fits together... And we do not fear death. We love death, it is one step closer to our beloved lord. Just look around you and believe me when I say look around for some of the obvious proofs that god exists. Go to the nearest church or sinagaud or mosque and learned about how you know god exists. It is, despite what you think, very obvious
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: O:\msg on June 08, 2012, 04:17:22 PM
And we do not fear death. We love death, it is one step closer to our beloved lord.
Exactly, you can't accept there is nothing.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Swagmaster on June 08, 2012, 04:24:38 PM
And we do not fear death. We love death, it is one step closer to our beloved lord.
Exactly, you can't accept there is nothing.
it's not necessarily that I can't accept, it's that I believe... Anyways, there is no absolute 100% way to be sure until the time comes... The right will be clear in the end. IF there was no god, then so be it, my life was a waste, but it wouldn't matter because Ill cease to exist. If there is really a God, then, good luck in (I'm not gonna say it, because I don't like thinking of my friends going there :( )
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: O:\msg on June 08, 2012, 04:27:26 PM
Yeah well apparently god is all about forgiveness and as ive been a better person than most I reckon I would get in heaven whether I believed or not. I refuse to believe in a god that demands to be worshipped.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Swagmaster on June 08, 2012, 04:34:20 PM
Yeah well apparently god is all about forgiveness and as ive been a better person than most I reckon I would get in heaven whether I believed or not. I refuse to believe in a god that demands to be worshipped.
yes god is all about forgiveness. he will literally forgive every single sin a man can possible do EXCEPT denying his existence. So no matter how good a person is, denial in his existence will result in the ultimate punishment (sorry for making religion sound mean, it really isn't)
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: O:\msg on June 08, 2012, 04:38:14 PM
yes god is all about forgiveness. he will literally forgive every single sin a man can possible do EXCEPT denying his existence. So no matter how good a person is, denial in his existence will result in the ultimate punishment (sorry for making religion sound mean, it really isn't)
So he's a selfish, attention seeker that only forgives what suits him? I'd rather not go to a place like that thank you.
Sorry man, there's way too many holes in the backstory.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Mr.PowPow on June 08, 2012, 04:39:20 PM
Our brains are hardwired to believe in God, whether you like to admit it or not, there will always be a piece of you that does think or wish that God exists. This is because God represents immortality, something that every human craves. After all every human is born with two fears, the fear of the dark and the fear of death. So turning to something such as God is a way of escaping the possibility of death, mostly in the sense that there is life at the end of death (heaven, hell or whichever you choose).
But that doesn't necessarily mean God isn't real though, for all we know he/she/it could be.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Swagmaster on June 08, 2012, 06:17:48 PM
yes god is all about forgiveness. he will literally forgive every single sin a man can possible do EXCEPT denying his existence. So no matter how good a person is, denial in his existence will result in the ultimate punishment (sorry for making religion sound mean, it really isn't)
So he's a selfish, attention seeker that only forgives what suits him? I'd rather not go to a place like that thank you.
Sorry man, there's way too many holes in the backstory.
no it's actually more like an equal exchange. That's like saying somebody is selfish for not giving you a hat for free. You give the guy some money and he will give you the hat, you don't, you go empty handed.

In this case the seller is god, you're the buyer, the money is worship, the hat is heaven, and the empty hand is hell
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Mr.PowPow on June 08, 2012, 06:23:57 PM
In this case the seller is god, you're the buyer, the money is worship, the hat is heaven, and the empty hand is hell
I feel like I've missed something
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: O:\msg on June 08, 2012, 06:51:27 PM
It makes no sense, why does he demand to be worshipped?
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Mr.PowPow on June 08, 2012, 07:06:10 PM
I've never heard about God demanding to be worshiped. Obtaining passage to heaven is simply through leading a life without sin, correct me if I'm wrong but not praying isn't a sin, right?
Worship is just our way of saying "Hey dood, thanks for sending your son to die for us an all", to my knowledge its not really required. But the hardcore Catholics and Christians just see it that way, probably taking whats been said to the extreme.....like they always do.

But then again I could be wrong.

Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: O:\msg on June 08, 2012, 07:11:33 PM
Hardcore aetheists are just as bad as hardcore religious nutters too in my experience. Both try to ram stuff down your throat and dedicate their lives to arguing about the existence of god. I think it's to try convince themselves more than anybody else.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Mr.PowPow on June 08, 2012, 07:18:01 PM
Most likely, I think we are always a little unsure about our beliefs, sometimes we need to knock down others opinions/beliefs in order to strengthen what we already believe. Its a sad fact but we all do it at some point in our lives, its just a simple coping mechanism and extends further than just religion, we tend to do it with anything we hold strongly.

However in my time watching debates, I will admit that the atheists do tend to enter the argument with a more detailed knowledge of religion than the ones who believe in it, though the believes have a more emotional understanding and delve deeper into it, but lack the knowledge of whats actually written in the bible. So it does end in atheists favor most of the time. Though, not that I'm siding with atheists, I'm agnostic.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: O:\msg on June 08, 2012, 07:26:57 PM
I'm not fussy myself, if somebody wants to believe thats cool, I won't knock it, my mrs is a catholic and strongly believes. I'm all in favour of living in a religious household, I sort of stick to the lifestyle and follow the moral side, but I just don't believe in the existence of god. Religion has its uses even to people like me, its set the base for a good society and if you follow it, you won't be a bad person.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Kiss x Miz on June 08, 2012, 08:21:56 PM
When your brain dies, your existence dies aswell.
This 'soul' thing is just a creation of our complex brain. So it dies along with our brain.
There's no reason for nature to create something as consoling as reincarnation or heaven.

It will never be 'you' ever again.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Swagmaster on June 08, 2012, 08:58:51 PM
God doesnt demand worship. Think about it this way:

Your mom: she gave birth to you, nursed you, cared for you, raised you. It only makes sense that you thank her for it all. She doesnt demand you to return the favor. What do you do? Give her money, food, care for her, comfort her.

God: Gave you your mom, Your life, nourishment, money, family, health, a chance for the ultimate reward. What do you do? You can't even so much as accept his existence. You can't even thank worship/him. 24 hours in 1 day and you can't even spend 10-15 minute of it for worship?

Gods not selfish for wanting to be worshipped. Humans are selfish for wanting everything without regards to their creator.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: O:\msg on June 08, 2012, 09:00:55 PM
I agree Mizari. It gives people comfort though, thinking their loved ones are waiting for them and their life won't just end. You can't knock that, it's only themselves that it will hurt, or not, because they won't even ever realise their mistake.
All you can do is present people with both sides and let them decide which is best for them, without trying to force it on them.

God doesnt demand worship. Think about it this way:

Your mom: she gave birth to you, nursed you, cared for you, raised you. It only makes sense that you thank her for it all. She doesnt demand you to return the favor. What do you do? Give her money, food, care for her, comfort her.

God: Gave you your mom, Your life, nourishment, money, family, health, a chance for the ultimate reward. What do you do? You can't even so much as accept his existence. You can't even thank worship/him. 24 hours in 1 day and you can't even spend 10-15 minute of it for worship?

Gods not selfish for wanting to be worshipped. Humans are selfish for wanting everything without regards to their creator.
What are your thoughts about evolution? What about dinosaurs etc?
How do you explain how our DNA matches a neanderthal found in spain and some other pre human from Africa?
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Swagmaster on June 08, 2012, 09:56:53 PM
God created his creatures as they are. There is no such thing as evolution. Everything here is and always has been what it was. God made some creatures similar and humans then think: "oh they must be our ancestors."

I don't know how you atheists gladly accept a fucking monkey as your gran and gramps and can't even accept that an all powerful creator made and sustained you.

I refuse to believe that I am from some stinky, mindless, crazy animal. Not only do I refuse, but my beliefs say otherwise.

Nothing in my religion rejects the existence of dinosaurs, so they exist until proven unexistent (IMO)
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: O:\msg on June 08, 2012, 10:04:26 PM
God created his creatures as they are. There is no such thing as evolution. Everything here is and always has been what it was. God made some creatures similar and humans then think: "oh they must be our ancestors."

I don't know how you atheists gladly accept a fucking monkey as your gran and gramps and can't even accept that an all powerful creator made and sustained you.

I refuse to believe that I am from some stinky, mindless, crazy animal. Not only do I refuse, but my beliefs say otherwise.

Nothing in my religion rejects the existence of dinosaurs, so they exist until proven unexistent (IMO)
What about DNA evidence proving we did come from these "stinky, mindless monkeys"?
Why is evolution so hard to believe but a magic dude that nobody ever saw, isn't?

Science is giving evidence everyday and god gives nothing to counter it. You do understand why people don't believe don't you?
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Swagmaster on June 08, 2012, 11:01:23 PM
^i didn't have an answer to the DNA thing, but I asked a scholar a few minutes ago and he told me that many things were created for a test. He brought up a question that is very similar in answer:

Why does god make sexy/pretty girls if he doesn't want fornication?
The answer is pretty simple: It's all a test, to see if you give in to your temptation or if you keep your belief and rememberence in God.

Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Kiss x Miz on June 09, 2012, 12:31:37 PM
Conclusion: Austin is brainwashed by his parents & community ^-^

That's kinda how I see religion.
I'm not going to worship the big bang for creating me.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Swagmaster on June 10, 2012, 03:25:26 AM
Conclusion: Austin is brainwashed by his parents & community ^-^

That's kinda how I see religion.
I'm not going to worship the big bang for creating me.
The way I see it, you guys are brainwashed by all the luxuries of this life that you refuse to let *some* of it go away. Humility isn't in your dictionary
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Kiss x Miz on June 10, 2012, 04:15:18 AM
The way I see it, you guys are brainwashed by all the luxuries of this life that you refuse to let *some* of it go away. Humility isn't in your dictionary
What luxury? My life is shit. These weeks have been like the first time in my life I can actually be happy.
Think before you make such a stupid statement.
I don't believe because I don't want someone or something to guide me.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Swagmaster on June 10, 2012, 05:13:31 AM
The way I see it, you guys are brainwashed by all the luxuries of this life that you refuse to let *some* of it go away. Humility isn't in your dictionary
What luxury? My life is shit. These weeks have been like the first time in my life I can actually be happy.
Think before you make such a stupid statement.
I don't believe because I don't want someone or something to guide me.
i didn't mean luxury as in money. Luxury as in this life itself and everything you own in which you love so deeply. I'm not saying its wrong to love it. That would make me a hypocrite because I love my luxury.

And all humans need guidance despite what they think. Whether its divine or physical, they need guidance
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: O:\msg on June 10, 2012, 09:27:48 AM
And all humans need guidance despite what they think. Whether its divine or physical, they need guidance
We have google ;)
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Swagmaster on June 10, 2012, 01:12:25 PM
We have google ;)
XD
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Kiss x Miz on June 10, 2012, 04:33:25 PM
i didn't mean luxury as in money. Luxury as in this life itself and everything you own in which you love so deeply. I'm not saying its wrong to love it. That would make me a hypocrite because I love my luxury.

And all humans need guidance despite what they think. Whether its divine or physical, they need guidance
I was talking about that same luxury you just specified...

People need guidance when they're kids. But further in your life, the need for guidance is only for the weak and uncertain.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: BloodcatNS on June 10, 2012, 04:44:31 PM
But further in your life, the need for guidance is only for the weak and uncertain.
Independence is good. But it can't hurt to turn to someone when you're uncertain along the way. Trust me, I've been observing everyone around me enough to know that uncertainty is really much more frequent than you make it out to be. Some people are just too stubborn to admit that they are.

Plus, you make it sound like it's a dog-eat-dog with your "only for the weak and uncertain" phrase you just mentioned.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: O:\msg on June 10, 2012, 05:47:53 PM
Trust me, I've been observing everyone around me enough to know that uncertainty is really much more frequent than you make it out to be. Some people are just too stubborn to admit that they are.
Not at my age. I've done it all and bought the T shirt, made every mistake there was to make, and now I use my experience wisely and I'm very very rarely wrong or make a mistake. I'm uncertain as to how to use a new washing machine or something, but in life I've got it nailed.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Kiss x Miz on June 10, 2012, 06:03:56 PM
Independence is good. But it can't hurt to turn to someone when you're uncertain along the way. Trust me, I've been observing everyone around me enough to know that uncertainty is really much more frequent than you make it out to be. Some people are just too stubborn to admit that they are.

Plus, you make it sound like it's a dog-eat-dog with your "only for the weak and uncertain" phrase you just mentioned.
I never said being weak or uncertain was bad. I was just excluding the group from people who should be able to live independently by choice.

Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Mr.PowPow on June 10, 2012, 06:36:48 PM
Independence is good. But it can't hurt to turn to someone when you're uncertain along the way. Trust me, I've been observing everyone around me enough to know that uncertainty is really much more frequent than you make it out to be. Some people are just too stubborn to admit that they are.

Plus, you make it sound like it's a dog-eat-dog with your "only for the weak and uncertain" phrase you just mentioned.
I never said being weak or uncertain was bad.
Out of curiosity, may I ask for some examples of how being "weak or uncertain" is good, or rather, not bad? It just seems like a negative term to me.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Kiss x Miz on June 10, 2012, 07:24:59 PM
weak
Disabled people, old people in a home are best to be taken care of. Even if their will is strong, their bodies or mind just might not coöperate.

uncertain
Confused, unstable, hurt, 'not so bright' people.
And I suppose we all know at least someone who relies on their partner/parents/... for a lot of stuff and would be oblivious to stuff happening around him/her if not told.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Mr.PowPow on June 10, 2012, 07:27:58 PM
Ahh, just wanted to clarify that, you made it sound rather vague. Continue.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Kiss x Miz on June 10, 2012, 07:32:04 PM
I don't use this direct/confronting way of explaining to make something look bad. Just easier to read.

(I'm too lazy to explain the details)
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: BloodcatNS on June 11, 2012, 09:54:36 AM
Trust me, I've been observing everyone around me enough to know that uncertainty is really much more frequent than you make it out to be. Some people are just too stubborn to admit that they are.
Not at my age. I've done it all and bought the T shirt, made every mistake there was to make, and now I use my experience wisely and I'm very very rarely wrong or make a mistake. I'm uncertain as to how to use a new washing machine or something, but in life I've got it nailed.
Then I suppose it often just applies to teenagers like me.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: O:\msg on June 11, 2012, 10:06:52 AM
Yeah teenagers just don't have experience, it's not their fault. You know when you look at a child and you can't believe they just don't get it? Well, that's kinda how teenagers appear to me sometimes. Of course when I was one I thought I knew it all, it's only later I realised I didn't.
I've never had any guidance from god though, I gained my experience and wisdom all by myself, good and bad, and now I'm proud of the person I am. I think that means more than someone who was just told how to behave/do things, I understand the reasons why properly.

By chance I just saw this: http://uk.lifestyle.yahoo.com/50-things-prove-youre-grown-105023219.html
Apparently you don't feel an adult until about 26, I totally agree with that, but you don't realise it until you reach that age.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: NekoBot on July 05, 2012, 08:08:51 AM
I am agnostic. I do agree the bible of a religion is a god model to set value in your life to but I would not ay my hands down in a full on deliberate worship of such gods.

There was once a time when i beleived and prayed but in my time of need nothing ever came to me. In fact there lacks to be any physical roof that a god exist. You can say all you want but everyrthing you argue can be proven by science.

The bible is  collection of stories. stories. stories of various people doing vriois things in their life. For all you know these tales could have been handed down from generation to generation to make kids behave until some guy decided that itd a good idea to write and market the storie and fables.

One can argue that the greek and roman gods were their respected religgious influences but it turns out they are both one and the same. The gods were ways ti explain how thongs happened that they otherwise couldnt explaine.

Have you looked at pictures and portraits of adam and eve? why would they have bely buttons?
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Swagmaster on July 05, 2012, 09:45:57 PM
God is like a teacher. He is giving us a test. Does a teacher talk when you have a test?
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Arikado on July 06, 2012, 02:25:07 AM
I don't believe there is a god.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: O:\msg on July 06, 2012, 08:45:00 AM
God is like a teacher. He is giving us a test. Does a teacher talk when you have a test?
Teachers prepare you for a test and give you the skills required to pass.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: NekoBot on July 06, 2012, 09:03:29 AM
and god doesnt prepare you for life because you are already alive.

i dont think you're arguement holds valid without further explanation.

if god truely did exist would he have let the world come to how it is now? It took little for him to flood the earth efore and theres plenty enough reason that we should be punished by the divine being.

I think that its good to beleive in something...... hecause it provides hope for the common man. But th way I see it, religion is a haox brought apun us by some very smart entrepreneurs from way back when. In fact. IF there IS a divine being then I think that the perception of eery religion is wrong. Afterall there supposidly only one
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Swagmaster on July 06, 2012, 01:21:32 PM
God is like a teacher. He is giving us a test. Does a teacher talk when you have a test?
Teachers prepare you for a test and give you the skills required to pass.
God gave us the earth, all it's resources, and the prophet(s) in order that we have everything we need to pass
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: O:\msg on July 06, 2012, 01:36:03 PM
God is like a teacher. He is giving us a test. Does a teacher talk when you have a test?
Teachers prepare you for a test and give you the skills required to pass.
God gave us the earth, all it's resources, and the prophet(s) in order that we have everything we need to pass
Except his own creations Adam and Eve failed, what hope do the rest of us have.
Also how many of us actually have any say over the Earth and it's resources? An African child with nothing and no hope of anything, no tutoring or chance of school will go spend eternity in Hell just because he didn't believe in god and was never given an opportunity to.

(http://i50.tinypic.com/5kil51.jpg)
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Swagmaster on July 06, 2012, 10:31:14 PM
God knows who had the oppurtunity to learn or not. He's not going to throw a poor child in hell just because he couldn't learn. People who die Mental retards or children/ infants are granted heaven regardless. And those who did not have the capability to learn or the oppurtunity will not be held against them

What god will hold you against is whether you accept to learn or refuse. Those who try to learn but die doing so die in the way of god. They are considered believers.

Unlike those who have every opportunity on earth to learn but refuse to (ehrmm)
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: NekoBot on July 07, 2012, 05:14:38 AM
So just because I dont beleive in god ill ne damned to hell?
So just because Ive never been batised ill be damned to hell?
So just because I dont repent y sins ill be damned to hell?
So just because Ive been violated Ill be damned to hell?

Look brah, that whole things silly
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: O:\msg on July 07, 2012, 05:36:52 AM
God knows who had the oppurtunity to learn or not. He's not going to throw a poor child in hell just because he couldn't learn. People who die Mental retards or children/ infants are granted heaven regardless. And those who did not have the capability to learn or the oppurtunity will not be held against them

What god will hold you against is whether you accept to learn or refuse. Those who try to learn but die doing so die in the way of god. They are considered believers.

Unlike those who have every opportunity on earth to learn but refuse to (ehrmm)
But that's different rules for everybody, that's clearly discrimination.
Are you really saying an intelligent, good man that doesn't believe because he can't find any evidence spends eternity in Hell but some guy that does bad stuff just to survive in a 3rd world country will go to Heaven just because he never had the opportunity to learn?

I also find it strange that god can be jealous, discriminate and be bias towards people that worship him. This is supposed to be the great being we look up to and judge ourselves on. Seriously, I can think of many better role models.

Who decides what is evil? If it's god why do we have laws? If we wrongly condemn someone will god punish us for it?
Do soldiers go to Hell for killing people or are they allowed different rules too?
Why are gays not allowed?
Why did god kill good people in the floods? What did they ever do?
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Swagmaster on July 07, 2012, 06:51:31 AM
There is no "discrimination" involved AT ALL

What I said is basically an example of one thing that god made clear to all people

You are judged by intention

Money, Food, Knowledge, Power. None of that affects the judging at all.

If you steal because you are a selfish man who refuses to pay, you're sinned. But if you steal just a little so that you're family may survive for just a few more weeks, why would you be sinned for that?

If you kill because some dude owes you money, you're sinned. But if you kill because somebody is holding you're mom at gunpoint, why would you be sinned?

If you pray just to get your mom off your ass, do you think god will accept it? As supposed to one who prays purely because he loves god?

Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: O:\msg on July 07, 2012, 06:59:00 AM
There is no "discrimination" involved AT ALL


If you pray just to get your mom off your ass, do you think god will accept it? As supposed to one who prays purely because he loves god?
Some African kid prays to god for some food. He dies of starvation. Somebody in a Nazi death camp prays to god to escape the gas chamber. They die in agony. Somebody in Sarajevo early 90's prays their family member gets to shop without a sniper putting a bullet through their head for fun. They never see them again.

Some bishop with a comfortable life in a 1st world country prays and gets something because he loves god.

Sorry man, I want no part of religion. And that is clear discrimination. Maybe I will go to Hell but I will go with a clear conscience knowing I treated everyone as equals, I didn't judge them for selfish reasons and I gave them the respect they deserved as individuals to make their own choices.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Swagmaster on July 07, 2012, 12:59:38 PM
Let me ask you: When you were a kid did your parents give you everything you want?

Does that make them love you any less than a parent who spoils their child?
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: O:\msg on July 07, 2012, 01:15:11 PM
Let me ask you: When you were a kid did your parents give you everything you want?

Does that make them love you any less than a parent who spoils their child?
But they never treated myself and my brother any differently. Even though I was the "bad one"and always in trouble with the police, we always got exactly the same treatment. They loved us equally.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: BloodcatNS on July 07, 2012, 02:44:26 PM
This is exactly why I hate debates like this. It makes me want to hit the person insulting or condemning what I choose to believe in. Is there even a reason to have a debate like this? Hell, is this even considered a debate?
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: NekoJonez on July 07, 2012, 02:56:51 PM
This is exactly why I hate debates like this. It makes me want to hit the person insulting or condemning what I choose to believe in. Is there even a reason to have a debate like this? Hell, is this even considered a debate?
I agree here. Since it's more like... "Defend your opinion and being sure you are right" type of 'discussion' going on here.

* Insert rant about too many religions and wars for "who is right" ... contradicting the "peace & love" message here. *
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Swagmaster on July 07, 2012, 04:37:40 PM
I don't feel any hate towards msg. It's actually pretty fun and it's making me feel religious lol
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: BloodcatNS on July 07, 2012, 05:13:18 PM
I don't feel any hate towards msg. It's actually pretty fun and it's making me feel religious lol
Yeah, I get that feeling when I "debate" with other people, too.
Especially when they insult the religion I'm in and never consider others' opinion.

But I learned my lesson. The reason is below.
It's actually pretty fun and it's making me feel religious lol
Big, big, big question:
Are you?
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Swagmaster on July 07, 2012, 07:25:59 PM
i don't think his intent was to insult my religion, i think he was just putting out his belief.
Just like i feel he isnt insulted when i said nonbelievers will go to hell

And i am active in my religion but i don't consider myself very religious. i don't really know how to explain
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Kiss x Miz on July 07, 2012, 10:45:49 PM
Debates can be confronting because it's the clearest way to get the message across the way you want it. Some people might see it as an argument. Don't worry, you'll learn how to debate properly in school... At least I think you will.

Please continue, this is pretty interesting.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: BloodcatNS on July 08, 2012, 02:01:24 AM
i don't think his intent was to insult my religion, i think he was just putting out his belief.
I'm aware of that. I'm pointing out that this debate is a flame war waiting to happen and some might feel offended about this.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Apokura on July 08, 2012, 03:54:15 AM
My views about Religion. Warning, don't read this if you are easily offended or something, it is highly criticizing and it's just me stating what I think, I am not trying to offend anyone.
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TL;DR: I think God doesn't exist and the purpose of life is breeding to continue the existence of human species. I don't believe in reincarnation or anything supernatural or whatever. Not to disrespect any religions, of course, this is simply my opinion.
Also, forgive me if I wrote something out of context or something, it was a tiring day.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: BloodcatNS on July 08, 2012, 04:33:21 AM
And this is where I step in.
My views about Religion. Warning, don't read this if you are easily offended or something, it is highly criticizing and it's just me stating what I think, I am not trying to offend anyone
No problem. I'm not offended at all. But I'm going to point out some misconceptions about Christianity/Catholicism you might have mentioned.

My views about Religion. Warning, don't read this if you are easily offended or something, it is highly criticizing and it's just me stating what I think, I am not trying to offend anyone.
(click to show/hide)

Also, I don't believe in "If you're a nonbeliever, you will go to hell" stuff. It does seem discriminating.


OH GOD, I'M SUCKED INTO THE DEBATE!
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Swagmaster on July 08, 2012, 04:37:16 AM
welcome, i need a believer to back me up =P
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: BloodcatNS on July 08, 2012, 04:39:59 AM
welcome, i need a believer to back me up =P
I promised myself that that post was the only time I participated in a religious debate. D:
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Cupcake Fury on July 08, 2012, 05:06:57 AM
Religon can go to hell. All its done fer me is make my life stricter.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Apokura on July 08, 2012, 05:14:42 AM
And this is where I step in.
My views about Religion. Warning, don't read this if you are easily offended or something, it is highly criticizing and it's just me stating what I think, I am not trying to offend anyone.
(click to show/hide)

Also, I don't believe in "If you're a nonbeliever, you will go to hell" stuff. It does seem discriminating.
(click to show/hide)

OH GOD, I'M SUCKED INTO THE DEBATE!
Once again, not trying to be disrespectful. However, I believe you misinterpreted some of what I said, and hope this clears things up.

Quoteception.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: BloodcatNS on July 08, 2012, 05:22:18 AM
Quoteception.
A confusing one, at that. :\

Religon can go to hell. All its done fer me is make my life stricter.
And this is plain insulting but still understandable.

Still, too much porn can be bad for your health, you know. Even in a scientific point of view. :P
Ever heard of the guy who fapped 41 times and died?
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Apokura on July 08, 2012, 05:24:21 AM
Simple. Inside each spoiler, there is a comment, and two spoilers. First spoiler is yours, second spoiler is my response to your spoiler.

Ok, so maybe not THAT simple. But still.

Alright. I might have fixed it.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Cupcake Fury on July 08, 2012, 05:32:19 AM
Quoteception.
A confusing one, at that. :\

Religon can go to hell. All its done fer me is make my life stricter.
And this is plain insulting but still understandable.

Still, too much porn can be bad for your health, you know. Even in a scientific point of view. :P
Ever heard of the guy who fapped 41 times and died?
This is a debate so meh :p and nope, is that true?  o.o
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Apokura on July 08, 2012, 05:36:32 AM
It is true.

BTW, did you guys know that Allan Kardek's Spiritism supports evolutionism and the big bang theory and whatnot? Only it says that God prompted these to happening.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: BloodcatNS on July 08, 2012, 06:31:32 AM
Quoteception.
A confusing one, at that. :\

Religon can go to hell. All its done fer me is make my life stricter.
And this is plain insulting but still understandable.

Still, too much porn can be bad for your health, you know. Even in a scientific point of view. :P
Ever heard of the guy who fapped 41 times and died?
This is a debate so meh :p and nope, is that true?  o.o
Yes, let's talk about the guy who fapped and died. I'd much prefer it that way. :P
It is true.

BTW, did you guys know that Allan Kardek's Spiritism supports evolutionism and the big bang theory and whatnot? Only it says that God prompted these to happening.
Most say, even our teacher who teaches us Catholicism, that Adam and Eve were more or less representations or explanations of what could have happened. It did not happen exactly as it is.

And the Big Bang Theory was created by a priest. Guess which theory of creation I believe in.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Apokura on July 08, 2012, 06:56:14 AM
Bleh, there are too many versions of too many stories in too many religions to take everything literally. Some say Adam and Eve weren't even the first ones.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: BloodcatNS on July 08, 2012, 07:04:53 AM
Bleh, there are too many versions of too many stories in too many religions to take everything literally. Some say Adam and Eve weren't even the first ones.
True, true. Some are even just culturally different than the others, but the same at core. And yet they insist that theirs is the right one.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Kiss x Miz on July 08, 2012, 10:13:51 PM
Scientists don't work to prove you wrong, they work to show the truth to the ones who didn't get their brain scrambled when they were young.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: O:\msg on July 09, 2012, 09:05:36 AM
Hey I never get offended in a debate, and I never intend to offend, I hope I haven't offended anyone. I value peoples opinions and if I ever were to be proved wrong, I would happily change my opinion.

My intention was to point out exactly what I believe is wrong with religion, all the inaccuracies in the bible and even if it were true, why I think it's unfair and wrong.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: NekoJonez on July 09, 2012, 10:58:30 AM
Scientists don't work to prove you wrong, they work to show the truth to the ones who didn't get their brain scrambled when they were young.
Scientists indeed don't want to prove you wrong... They try to explain how certain things work logically to try to have a better understanding...
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: BloodcatNS on July 09, 2012, 12:42:15 PM
My intention was to point out exactly what I believe is wrong with religion, all the inaccuracies in the bible and even if it were true, why I think it's unfair and wrong.
Like I said, it wasn't made to be read as a history book. Think of it as a moral guideline.

To be honest, most have some misconceptions of some of the religion.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: O:\msg on July 09, 2012, 12:55:52 PM
Like I said, it wasn't made to be read as a history book. Think of it as a moral guideline.

Yup, one of the biggest problems is hardcore believers denying evolution and such when the bible's not meant to be taken as serious history. And yeah, my very first post in this thread was to agree with the morals and values.

Honestly I don't get why religious people condemn good people just because they don't believe in god, they try to frighten them by saying they will go to hell if they don't believe. It's like a reward for doing someones bidding. Would that person be good without the threat of hell hanging over them? Proper "good" people don't need a reward nor want one, they do it because it's the right thing to do, they treat people properly because it's how they like to be treated. Those are good people in my eyes, not the false people fearing hell.

Who knows, maybe that is the real test god gives us, being good of your own accord or doing it because you are scared of hell.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: O:\msg on July 10, 2012, 08:09:59 PM
I just had another thought. If you're the only believer in your friends and family (my gf is the only regious person I know) then would heaven be heaven without all your loved ones?
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: BloodcatNS on July 10, 2012, 11:55:24 PM
I just had another thought. If you're the only believer in your friends and family (my gf is the only regious person I know) then would heaven be heaven without all your loved ones?
Dunno. I've never believed in the "You'll go to hell if you don't believe" stuff.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Swagmaster on July 11, 2012, 12:33:15 AM
In heaven, of course you will still love them, but there will be sooooo much to the point where your mind doesn't even think of them.

Plus, if you are ever even the slightest bit of bored, whatever it is you feel will ease that boredom will be yours
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Kiss x Miz on July 11, 2012, 12:40:22 AM
Dunno. I've never believed in the "You'll go to hell if you don't believe" stuff.
So.. Why bother spending time on something that isn't going to change anything in the future?

In heaven, of course you will still love them, but there will be sooooo much to the point where your mind doesn't even think of them.

Plus, if you are ever even the slightest bit of bored, whatever it is you feel will ease that boredom will be yours
Who told you that? Or did you just make that up?
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Swagmaster on July 11, 2012, 02:21:26 AM
No, that is in the definition of heaven itself. A place of neverending happiness and joy. A place of no sorrow, grievance, or boredom.

Plus, there will be rivers and rivers of the finest wine, and don't forget [for those of you who love them] the finest boobies
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: O:\msg on July 11, 2012, 08:58:00 AM
there will be sooooo much to the point where your mind doesn't even think of them.
I can't imagine never thinking of my daughter. If she was in Hell endlessly suffering, wouldn't that be all I could think about?
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: NekoBot on July 11, 2012, 10:14:53 AM
well... lets look at it thos way.... this debate.... it will NEVER be won by either party....

How many wars alone are started by this stuff?

i may not beleive in religion but i also respect peoples beleifs for the same reason i respect other people. I ean in the ens you are just the same peole, you just live a differant way no?

*insert le complant*
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: BloodcatNS on July 11, 2012, 11:25:10 AM
So.. Why bother spending time on something that isn't going to change anything in the future?
What do you mean?

well... lets look at it thos way.... this debate.... it will NEVER be won by either party....
My aim was never to prove or win my point of the debate. I'm just here to point some clarifications about Christianity and Catholicism. And post some other stuff I believe in.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: O:\msg on July 11, 2012, 11:34:12 AM
My aim was never to prove or win my point of the debate. I'm just here to point some clarifications about Christianity and Catholicism. And post some other stuff I believe in.
This basically. I want to show people why I don't believe and what I think is wrong with religion.
There's no harm in knowing both sides of the story, in fact it's the only way you can make a proper decision imo. Read everything on both sides and then make up your own mind, don't be a sheep.

Are you a catholic Bloodcat? My mrs is a catholic.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: BloodcatNS on July 11, 2012, 11:36:14 AM
Pretty much.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: NekoJonez on July 11, 2012, 12:41:41 PM
The fact that there are other beliefs are in one religion... Like groups and such with there own stories without the main church complaining is enough proof for me.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Swagmaster on July 11, 2012, 01:26:57 PM
The fact that there are other beliefs are in one religion... Like groups and such with there own stories without the main church complaining is enough proof for me.
But don't forget that not all religions have types
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Kiss x Miz on July 14, 2012, 12:47:54 AM
I won't keep you from spending your life packing your bags for heaven, I'm just gonna enjoy life how it is now.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: BloodcatNS on July 14, 2012, 03:45:22 AM
I won't keep you from spending your life packing your bags for heaven, I'm just gonna enjoy life how it is now.
Assuming I can't do both. :/
Aren't you stereotyping people with religion a bit?
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: O:\msg on July 14, 2012, 08:19:30 AM
My mrs believes but she's no different to me, we do the same stuff everyday together, the only difference is she believes in god and I don't. She enjoys life every bit as much as I do. The good thing about her being religious is that she won't even consider children before we're married, everything has to be done properly and with morals and values. Some people call it old fashioned but when I look on the estate full of single parent teenagers with 3 kids and no manners, I know it's the right way. I'm not saying atheists cannot live that way too, but christian values are much more rare in young non believers nowadays.

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Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Kiss x Miz on July 14, 2012, 03:27:33 PM
I won't keep you from spending your life packing your bags for heaven, I'm just gonna enjoy life how it is now.
Assuming I can't do both. :/
Aren't you stereotyping people with religion a bit?
Just saying I'm not worrying about what happens after my death. It may not be big, but that's a weight you would carry all your life.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: BloodcatNS on July 14, 2012, 03:39:51 PM
Just saying I'm not worrying about what happens after my death. It may not be big, but that's a weight you would carry all your life.
Not really. Death is pretty far away, so it's not exactly first priority.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Kiss x Miz on July 14, 2012, 03:45:28 PM
Not really. Death is pretty far away, so it's not exactly first priority.
Don't jinx it. Death is always nearby.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: BloodcatNS on July 14, 2012, 03:51:03 PM
Not really. Death is pretty far away, so it's not exactly first priority.
Don't jinx it. Death is always nearby.
Well... uh... do you want me to be paranoid? Eitherway Anyway, erasure of existence itself isn't very frightening.

Damnit grammar.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Kiss x Miz on July 14, 2012, 03:55:03 PM
I'm not afraid of death either, but it would be nice to live as long as possible and be happy.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: NekoBot on August 13, 2012, 07:44:38 PM
Frankly there is neither evidance to prove that God exist nor evidance that God doesnt exist. This areguement will spiral in a complex speiral of insanity until we wage war against each other
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Mr.PowPow on August 13, 2012, 10:29:00 PM
Frankly there is neither evidance to prove that God exist nor evidance that God doesnt exist. This areguement will spiral in a complex speiral of insanity until we wage war against each other
I think God has been the subject of many wars already lol
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Kiss x Miz on August 13, 2012, 11:09:47 PM
The invisible unicorns in the molten core of Mercury have shaped the universe.

Prove me wrong.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: BloodcatNS on August 14, 2012, 01:12:02 PM
The invisible unicorns in the molten core of Mercury have shaped the universe.

Prove me wrong.
Frankly, I find no reason to prove it wrong. Since you "believe" in unicorns shaped the universe, let's just leave your way of thinking at that.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Mr.PowPow on August 14, 2012, 01:27:05 PM
The invisible unicorns in the molten core of Mercury have shaped the universe.

Prove me wrong.
Frankly, I find no reason to prove it wrong. Since you "believe" in unicorns shaped the universe, let's just leave your way of thinking at that.
Even if you attempted to do so, upon finding nothing in the core of Mercury, you'd likely come across the "Well, the Unicorn must be a Core Jumper, its now inside a different planet. Gosh, our lord Unicorn works in mysterious ways"
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: BloodcatNS on August 14, 2012, 01:54:05 PM
The invisible unicorns in the molten core of Mercury have shaped the universe.

Prove me wrong.
Frankly, I find no reason to prove it wrong. Since you "believe" in unicorns shaped the universe, let's just leave your way of thinking at that.
Even if you attempted to do so, upon finding nothing in the core of Mercury, you'd likely come across the "Well, the Unicorn must be a Core Jumper, its now inside a different planet. Gosh, our lord Unicorn works in mysterious ways"
But if you try to apply it in a religion, it would be impossible.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Swagmaster on August 14, 2012, 05:02:08 PM
If you truly believe in god, you will find numerous proofs of his existence. It isn't something we can explain to you
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: BloodcatNS on August 14, 2012, 05:09:05 PM
The invisible unicorns in the molten core of Mercury have shaped the universe.

Prove me wrong.
Frankly, I find no reason to prove it wrong. Since you "believe" in unicorns shaped the universe, let's just leave your way of thinking at that.
Even if you attempted to do so, upon finding nothing in the core of Mercury, you'd likely come across the "Well, the Unicorn must be a Core Jumper, its now inside a different planet. Gosh, our lord Unicorn works in mysterious ways"
... May I add that one of the instances that this was applied is when a person like Harold Camping did this. Remember May 21, 2011 and October 21, 2011? Yeah, it's impossible to apply this without being humiliated by the general public.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Kiss x Miz on August 14, 2012, 09:22:13 PM
How is a religion with 100 believers less real than one with millions?

There are lots who even think only their religion is the true one.

I see way more people being forced to believe than to become atheist. So from my point of view, religion is a prison.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: BloodcatNS on August 15, 2012, 11:32:34 AM
How is a religion with 100 believers less real than one with millions?
I didn't actually disprove anything, did I? Like I said, people are free to believe what they want.

There are lots who even think only their religion is the true one.
Well... d'uh. It's their religion.

I see way more people being forced to believe than to become atheist. So from my point of view, religion is a prison.
In the end, it's up to them what to believe in, right? You can't call yourself Christian if you believe in Hinduism. You can't call yourself an atheist if you think that there's some deity out there. Have you ever considered others' point of view? Like, asking them whether or not they're "forced" to a religion? (Quite impossible, really. To force someone in a religion.)

Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Mr.PowPow on August 15, 2012, 03:20:25 PM
To some religion is a prison, but to much more its like a safety cushion, it makes them feel content and secure about the mysteries of whats around them. There is nothing wrong with that, so long as it is not pushed upon others who do not wish it. I mean, if you want to believe in something that makes you feel good, then you should. Feeling good is the main part of life.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Kiss x Miz on August 15, 2012, 05:21:13 PM
In the end, it's up to them what to believe in, right? You can't call yourself Christian if you believe in Hinduism. You can't call yourself an atheist if you think that there's some deity out there. Have you ever considered others' point of view? Like, asking them whether or not they're "forced" to a religion? (Quite impossible, really. To force someone in a religion.)
I'm talking about kids forced by their parents to go to church,
families being forced to believe in something because the rest of their community does, otherwise they'd be outcasts.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: BloodcatNS on August 15, 2012, 05:40:23 PM
I'm talking about kids forced by their parents to go to church.
Kind of like a kid being forced to learn math. He has no choice, and does he does so. The kid will eventually adapt, depending on how the parents coerce the kid.

I admit, at first, I was a really troublesome kid when I go to church. To not let myself get bored, my mom allows me to play my GBA as long as I keep quiet and keep still. Eventually, I had to adapt to NOT having my GBA on me, and thus I had to listen. And sooner than I knew it, I found myself singing along with the choir. :P

See? Adaption. After all, it's kids we're talking about here. You definitely DON'T give everything s/he wants. You'll only give what's best for him/her. (IMO, yes. Having a religion has advantages. I think it's better than to have, if ever, my kid grows godless and pessimistic.)

families being forced to believe in something because the rest of their community does, otherwise they'd be outcasts.
I RARELY see anything like this. Wouldn't rejecting members of the community that isn't the same with their religion an act of immaturity? Adults are models of maturity, so why in heck's name would they do that? Even in our Catholic-filled village, I never saw a case of discrimination against another religion. Even outside the premises, inside the school, and yes, the public. The only case I ever experienced is when I was grade school. The aggressor and the victim were both my age. Even so, it was only a bad case of bullying, not religious discrimination of any significance.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: NekoJonez on August 15, 2012, 05:41:17 PM
Is belief = truth?
Nope, you can believe in lies..
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: BloodcatNS on August 15, 2012, 05:50:17 PM
Is belief = truth?
Nope, you can believe in lies..
Jonez, please. There is no proof that religions are lies or truth. Let me elaborate.

Aristotle: Heavy Objects fall faster than light objects?
Galileo: Really? Let me see... Nope, they fall at the same speed. Air resistance is factor of which gives the illusion of the rate of velocity. Sorry Aristotle.


Eistein: Energy cannot be created nor destroyed, it can only be converted.
Me: Really? But then how did is it that we have many, many materials that differ from each other?
Einstein: It could have been that there was a large explosion, causing the separation of mass, and the change of composition!
Me: If there was an explosion, there might have been a reaction. That means, there was a single mass of energy suddenly being acted upon! That means there were, not one, but TWO different masses of energy that exploded, stemming from a reaction! It could have been God!
Einstein: No! Impossible! It was surely-
*I cut myself from here now*


You see?
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Mr.PowPow on August 15, 2012, 05:58:36 PM
Is belief = truth?
Nope, you can believe in lies..
You may believe God not to exist. Using your logic I can say that that too may not be true.
Contradicted by your own statement.

You cannot prove or disprove religion. So both sides have a chance to be wrong.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: BloodcatNS on August 15, 2012, 06:02:33 PM
Am I the only one who find it odd the some atheist blame God for every misfortune that happens?
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: NekoJonez on August 15, 2012, 06:03:21 PM
Is belief = truth?
Nope, you can believe in lies..
You you may believe God not to exist. Using your logic I can say that that too may not be true.
Contradicted by your own statement.

You cannot prove or disprove religion. So both sides have a chance to be wrong.
You are totally missing my point. It's not because you belief in something that it makes that given thing the truth.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: BloodcatNS on August 15, 2012, 06:05:09 PM
You are totally missing my point. It's not because you belief in something that it makes that given thing the truth.
And by that, you are indirectly stating that some religions are actually false?

I mean, I don't know. It's kind of a risky thing to say. You know.... Jihad and the like.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: NekoJonez on August 15, 2012, 06:19:06 PM
Somewhat, I am also saying that there is no real truth about religion. Since we can't prove if a god exists or not... Since sometimes there is science behind it....
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: BloodcatNS on August 15, 2012, 06:26:18 PM
Somewhat, I am also saying that there is no real truth about religion. Since we can't prove if a god exists or not... Since sometimes there is science behind it....
So you're saying that there's no truth in religion? But you don't have any proof to back it up? But there's science to occasionally prove it?


Wat?
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Mr.PowPow on August 15, 2012, 06:39:42 PM
Jonez, refer back to my statement. You cannot PROVE or DISPROVE religion. Meaning that there is no evidence to prove that God exists, yet at the exact same time there is no evidence to prove that he does not exist.
If there were, religion wouldn't have so many followers as it does now, the fact that science cannot disprove religion is why its still alive.

With that in mind, how can you possibly say that there is no truth behind it? That sounds like a very direct statement, which requires proof. I rest my case.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: BloodcatNS on August 15, 2012, 06:47:45 PM
http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=6065880
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Kiss x Miz on August 15, 2012, 08:31:02 PM
I'm no longer a part of this "debate".

Proves it once again. It is impossible the truth is true to those who believe in their truth. There is nothing left to convert.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: BloodcatNS on August 15, 2012, 11:44:20 PM
I'm no longer a part of this "debate".

Proves it once again. It is impossible the truth is true to those who believe in their truth. There is nothing left to convert.
Just because I say that there isn't any proof doesn't actually mean I believe my religion is false.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Kiss x Miz on August 15, 2012, 11:50:20 PM
You wouldn't understand, that's why I quit
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: BloodcatNS on August 15, 2012, 11:51:45 PM
Eh. Alrighty.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Mr.PowPow on August 16, 2012, 12:00:54 AM
Well, I kinda knew when I made this topic that nobody was going to get along lol
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: BloodcatNS on August 16, 2012, 12:03:47 AM
We've been trolled.  D:
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Kiss x Miz on August 16, 2012, 12:07:32 AM
Religion is an impossible debate. Nobody can ever win or lose.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Mr.PowPow on August 16, 2012, 12:11:28 AM
True, but sometimes debates don't really need a clear end. I like to think a debate is more about how far you are willing to go to get your point across, its good to view how people handle themselves during the debate. Especially in a debate like this, Religion is like a training ground for debaters, or maybe its the final stage lol
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Kiss x Miz on August 16, 2012, 12:12:31 AM
A debate can't change someone's view on religion at all.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Mr.PowPow on August 16, 2012, 12:15:02 AM
Really? I've known people to be converted through someones debate, especially if its a convincing one. Well, I will admit that its never instant conversion, but a strong point can shake the foundations of someones faith, even if its not about religion.

Though, the radicals are more stubborn and less likely to see it from a different view.

Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Kiss x Miz on August 16, 2012, 12:17:30 AM
Really? I've known people to be converted through someones debate, especially if its a convincing one. Well, I will admit that its never instant conversion, but a strong point can shake the foundations of someones faith, even if its not about religion.

Though, the radicals are more stubborn and less likely to see it from a different view.
I don't think people who are unsure of their religion will take part in a debate, they might use it as guidance though.

Even though I'm 100% sure of my beliefs, I'm open to a lot of things, just don't give me shit about right or wrong.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Mr.PowPow on August 16, 2012, 12:22:43 AM
Really? I've known people to be converted through someones debate, especially if its a convincing one. Well, I will admit that its never instant conversion, but a strong point can shake the foundations of someones faith, even if its not about religion.

Though, the radicals are more stubborn and less likely to see it from a different view.
I don't think people who are unsure of their religion will take part in a debate, they might use it as guidance though.
Oh believe me, it happens lol
I don't know if its just because people in Liverpool have the average IQ of a tree stump, but I've seen so many people defend God, even when they have been to less than 3 visits to Church and haven't so much as glanced at the bible.
Its almost as if its personally offends them, they become attached to the idea, but yet they don't fully understand what they are talking about, just the outline of it. Sometimes the outline is a little misshapen too.

There are some rather delusional people out there.

Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Kiss x Miz on August 16, 2012, 12:55:55 AM
Just like some people use racism as an excuse for violence.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Caster no Mae on August 16, 2012, 01:03:03 AM
Religion Was Used as a way to understand the World and to Explain what happens after Death

also, Religion was Used as a way to Make People Less Likely to Kill Each Other, for most parts atleast... - That Did not work too well with Christianity. . . .
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Kiss x Miz on August 16, 2012, 01:30:25 AM
Religion Was Used as a way to understand the World and to Explain what happens after Death

also, Religion was Used as a way to Make People Less Likely to Kill Each Other, for most parts atleast... - That Did not work too well with Christianity. . . .
Christianity? I'd say it's pretty peaceful here compared to Israel and other countries in the Middle-East.
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Caster no Mae on August 16, 2012, 01:39:26 AM
Religion Was Used as a way to understand the World and to Explain what happens after Death

also, Religion was Used as a way to Make People Less Likely to Kill Each Other, for most parts atleast... - That Did not work too well with Christianity. . . .
Christianity? I'd say it's pretty peaceful here compared to Israel and other countries in the Middle-East.


Look at the Historical Point of Viewn
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: NekoJonez on August 16, 2012, 01:42:57 AM
Somewhat, I am also saying that there is no real truth about religion. Since we can't prove if a god exists or not... Since sometimes there is science behind it....
So you're saying that there's no truth in religion? But you don't have any proof to back it up? But there's science to occasionally prove it?


Wat?
I blew my own mind there too.
Insanity perhaps...?
Title: Re: Science vs Religion: Is there a God?
Post by: Apokura on August 17, 2012, 12:24:36 AM
Yes, there is a God! All hail the Flying Spaghetti Monster! R'Amen!

Seriously though, gotta love Pastafarians.
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