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Title: Nintendo Going Down the Drain?
Post by: Swagmaster on November 24, 2013, 05:32:03 PM
I love Nintendo, you all know I do, but WTF are they doing to themselves? Their products aren't getting many sales, so what do they do? Invest in another product that won't do any better -- in fact, does worse? This new Wii Mini proves it. LIKE WTF SERIOUSLY?? You're freaking competing with your own product. Plus, it isn't even much smaller than a Wii, and it's far cheaper made and you can feel it. And it has no WiFi compatibility and no bacwards compatibility either. You're far better off purchasing a new Wii for only $50 MORE. Or a used Wii in great quality for a similar OR CHEAPER price. Plus, they seem to think Mario and Zelda are the saviors of Nintendo. "Oh, we're running out of ideas and not getting sales? I KNOW! LETS RELEASE ANOTHER ZELDA OR MARIO!!!" I love these franchises too, but Nintendo is getting too dependent on games that do the same exact shit with different names. Mario and Zelda are being released at a massive pace, and I feel it's killing those franchises too. Maybe Zelda is not so bad, but definitely Mario. Even the creator of Mario himself said he's tired of it, and he is retiring as well. Nintendo is kicking its own ass, seriously. When will they catch up with this current generation of gaming and make a system that can actually compete? One with 1080 HD Graphics along with 3D compatibility and an all-out entertainment system while retaining its fun nature of games. They are too stubborn to admit that is the solution. and it's killing the company
Title: Re: Nintendo Going Down the Drain?
Post by: Kiss x Miz on November 24, 2013, 07:36:56 PM
They're gonna need something big before it's too late.
Title: Re: Nintendo Going Down the Drain?
Post by: Swagmaster on November 24, 2013, 09:21:04 PM
Yes and even if gamers don't want to admit it, the gaming industry just won't be the same without Mario, Zelda, and Pokemon, which are all Nintendo games. Yet, they can't help but not play Nintendo games because of its clear inferiority
Title: Re: Nintendo Going Down the Drain?
Post by: Arikado on November 24, 2013, 10:55:47 PM
They really ought to bring back some of their forgotten IPs, like Star Fox, for example. They can't rely on the same three IPs forever.
Title: Re: Nintendo Going Down the Drain?
Post by: BloodcatNS on November 25, 2013, 03:07:43 AM
They really ought to bring back some of their forgotten IPs, like Star Fox, for example. They can't rely on the same three IPs forever.
But considering its age, it's not really been exposed to the younger generation much. If the IP's been gone for too long, then I don't really expect the sales to help push Nintendo up.
Title: Re: Nintendo Going Down the Drain?
Post by: NekoJonez on November 25, 2013, 05:02:59 PM
I'll take a look into this rant rather soon. It's interesting.



There are some things I already can read which I heavily disagree with.

I'm a big Zelda fan, and I don't see it dying anytime soon. Reason is that the game's quality is a LOT higher then Mario's. Mario has just the tough luck of being pasted on nearly any possible new IP of Nintendo.

Also, about the 1080p... I have talked to some experienced YouTubers... There is barely NO difference in 720p and 1080p if your TV can't support it. And because Nintendo aims for FAMILY's and not gamers... Yeah, what's the benefit?

Also, Nintendo's amount of IP's may not be forgotten. Mario, Zelda, Animal Crossing, Pokémon... And their spin offs. But like it has been said, they need to bring back the old IP's.

Nintendo isn't going down the drain. Their sales and such are still rather high. Yet, what happened is that your interested just shifted away from them. Compare the milking of IP's with ANY other company.

Think about it, why stop an IP that actually works? Bethesa, the creators of Fall Out and Elder Scrolls milk that series out as well. At a lesser rate then Nintendo, true that, but remember it's a company. And making new IP's is always a big fanicial risk ya know?

Also, Mario's creator's age is coming to the point of quiting. He has been around for so long.

I think we need to take this with a grain of salt. :P
Title: Re: Nintendo Going Down the Drain?
Post by: BloodcatNS on November 26, 2013, 12:58:37 AM
Think about it, why stop an IP that actually works? Bethesa, the creators of Fall Out and Elder Scrolls milk that series out as well. At a lesser rate then Nintendo, true that, but remember it's a company. And making new IP's is always a big fanicial risk ya know?
Fallout was made by Black Isle Studios. Not Bethseda. Bethseda just bought it from them. Before it was bought, Black Isle had their own version of FO3 called Van Buren. Discontinued because, well, you know...
Bethseda only contributes 2 games to the FO franchise: 3 and New Vegas. Frankly, not really much. EDIT: Actually, Obsidian entertainment made New Vegas.

Elderscrolls Daggerfall and Arena were BARELY what the TES are now. Morrowind is the actual game that worked for them and made TES famous for what it's famous for. Oblivion and Skyrim followed. Wouldn't consider it milking if it started at Morrowind. (Though technically, it is.)
Title: Re: Nintendo Going Down the Drain?
Post by: senpai_FisT on November 26, 2013, 02:53:37 AM
I think it's safe to say that Bethesda gave us the two last Fallout games since it's the publisher that owns the IP.

Title: Re: Nintendo Going Down the Drain?
Post by: Swagmaster on November 26, 2013, 05:59:20 AM
While one could make an argument for several series "milking" (Fallout, TES, ETC.) These series BARELY have releases, and when they do, it is very different every time. Mario, although it has many variants, is the same thing basically, and it is being released not once, not twice a year, but sometimes even more. There are probably more Mario games now on the 3DS then there was on the DS (I said probably, I'm not actually counting). Zelda too, it is the SAME exact thing. Only thing that really changes in Zelda is equipment and world, but it is practically the same thing. Don't get me wrong, I love the Zelda franchise as well, but I have not bought a Zelda game in forever, and last time I bought one, it was a remake. My reason for this is that I just don't personally find anything new and innovative in the franchise anymore
Title: Re: Nintendo Going Down the Drain?
Post by: NekoJonez on November 26, 2013, 01:08:11 PM
About Zelda, I highly object. How much Zelda games have you played?

Mario, yeah, that's being milked out. But not that much that you think.
Title: Re: Nintendo Going Down the Drain?
Post by: BloodcatNS on November 26, 2013, 01:17:22 PM
About Zelda, I highly object. How much Zelda games have you played?

Mario, yeah, that's being milked out. But not that much that you think.
He's being used for 42 years now. Yep, totally not being milked. I'm very positive. Definitely. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mario_video_games)
Title: Re: Nintendo Going Down the Drain?
Post by: O:\msg on November 26, 2013, 01:44:41 PM
Hurray, other people are seeing what I've seen for years now.  Nintendo would be norhing without their huge fanbase, all we get is uncompetitive hardware, gimmicks, remakes and rehashes. Stop buying people and force them to try harder for your money.
Title: Re: Nintendo Going Down the Drain?
Post by: Princess on November 26, 2013, 02:27:34 PM
I say its fine

I don't see you people complaining about games (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_All_the_Bravest) like (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_Artniks) these (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_XIV:_A_Realm_Reborn)
Title: Re: Nintendo Going Down the Drain?
Post by: BloodcatNS on November 26, 2013, 02:36:22 PM
I say its fine

I don't see you people complaining about games (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_All_the_Bravest) like (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_Artniks) these (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_XIV:_A_Realm_Reborn)
Ah, but there's a lot of people complaining about this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_XIII
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_XIII-2
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning_Returns:_Final_Fantasy_XIII

The games MAY be good, but the fanbase is pretty much broken already.

Oh, and the first two games you've given are pretty much obscure to the public. It's an AppStore app and a facebook game, respectively. Not something I'd be playing often. The third one is something not everyone can access. Plus, I don't play MMORPGs, so I can't complain anything about XIV.
Title: Re: Nintendo Going Down the Drain?
Post by: Kiss x Miz on November 26, 2013, 03:38:24 PM
Mario & Sonic at the Sochi 2014 Olympic Winter Games has such a shit rating... I can't believe it.
Title: Re: Nintendo Going Down the Drain?
Post by: Princess on November 26, 2013, 03:58:27 PM
Oh, and the first two games you've given are pretty much obscure to the public. It's an AppStore app and a facebook game, respectively. Not something I'd be playing often. The third one is something not everyone can access. Plus, I don't play MMORPGs, so I can't complain anything about XIV.
Well I kind of meant that the first two games I mention sorta only exist to be milked

And I believe an MMO is the most wallet milking type of game ever
Its the type of game where you get milked out of your money, bitch about it online but still go back to it and get milked at the end of the day
Title: Re: Nintendo Going Down the Drain?
Post by: BloodcatNS on November 26, 2013, 04:39:27 PM
Well I kind of meant that the first two games I mention sorta only exist to be milked
Yeah, I see your point.

And I believe an MMO is the most wallet milking type of game ever
Its the type of game where you get milked out of your money, bitch about it online but still go back to it and get milked at the end of the day
It's not exactly the same as franchise milking, though. But hell, it does the same thing the latter is made for. :\
Title: Re: Nintendo Going Down the Drain?
Post by: Swagmaster on November 28, 2013, 02:18:00 AM
So many people complain about Final Fantasy idk what you're talking about. And Final Fantasy, whether good or not, is a different experience every game. You won't feel like you played the same game before, once again whether the game was good or bad.
Title: Re: Nintendo Going Down the Drain?
Post by: Swagmaster on January 29, 2014, 02:41:51 AM
Nintendo Confirms that Wii U was a Flop (http://techcrunch.com/2014/01/17/wii-u-not-selling/)
Title: Re: Nintendo Going Down the Drain?
Post by: O:\msg on January 29, 2014, 06:59:30 AM
I confirmed it before it was even released.
Title: Re: Nintendo Going Down the Drain?
Post by: NekoBot on January 29, 2014, 07:30:44 AM
No what I honestly think Nintendos problem is that they have refused to adjust their focus audience for so long they are pinned with a particular stigma. Through fault of their own they are sabotaging themselves. But also consider this, imagine if this really is the last wave of councils before councils are obsolete. What is Nintendo going to fall back on? Microsoft makes computers and other things, and Sony has a large line of high-end appliances that they have sold scince the companies founding. Sure, Nintendo has their handheld devices such as the DS, but honestly, with how fast the mobile/tablet market and technology is evolving every year, even if another handheld was made, it would quickly be outperformed by the ever changing technology.

Keeping that idea in mind, when a council is made, they are generally very powerful machines. However, they cannot be upgraded or improved on from how it was initially built. (Keep in mind I'm referring to the common owner of the products. It is not beyond the ability of a consumer to upgrade their own machine if they had the know-how) Because the tech in a machine is set, and cannot be easily upgraded, it will in the long run, maybe even sooner than expected, be out performed by the evolution of technology. There are developers out there making games for the Xbox One and PS4 that have already hit walls and limitations and these are NEW machines. Don't you think that says something?

I do not believe in the 'PC master race' that a lot of ignorant people throw around, however, it is clear that the PC will almost certainly out perform councils soon. And without a doubt, the mobile/tablet market is soon to follow.





I say its fine


I don't see you people complaining about games (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_All_the_Bravest) like (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_Artniks) these (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_XIV:_A_Realm_Reborn)
Ah, but there's a lot of people complaining about this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_XIII
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_XIII-2
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning_Returns:_Final_Fantasy_XIII


The games MAY be good, but the fanbase is pretty much broken already.


Oh, and the first two games you've given are pretty much obscure to the public. It's an AppStore app and a facebook game, respectively. Not something I'd be playing often. The third one is something not everyone can access. Plus, I don't play MMORPGs, so I can't complain anything about XIV.


As far as this goes, I have heard the new top dog of Square has decided to go back to the roots of FF, or, at least make it more influenced off that formula, if, that makes sense. I personally think that there is a LOT to benifit from from visiting old formats and ideas. For example, you don't need top of the line graphics to have amazing gameplay. Look at Doom, Duke Nukem, SMB. A big problem with todays game market is that gameplay, the one thing that should be the backbone of your game, gets a backseat to graphics. I would like to see new IPs with the classic collectathon Spyro the Dragon/Banjoe-Kazooie/DK64 influences with a twist of today while not taking itself too serious, over-the-top, or trying too hard to be the 'next big thing'. Sometimes when you play games these days, you can just feeeeel that the devs did NOT have fun making it and just half assing it to make a deadline. And most 'leaks' are just bullshit marketing ploys that annoy me :P
Title: Re: Nintendo Going Down the Drain?
Post by: Kiss x Miz on January 29, 2014, 12:03:59 PM
I confirmed it before it was even released.
Ayyyy, we think alike.
Title: Re: Nintendo Going Down the Drain?
Post by: NekoJonez on January 29, 2014, 12:13:09 PM
The Wii U, honestly great idea but bad bad marketing and they could have done a lot more with it. It was rushed.
Title: Re: Nintendo Going Down the Drain?
Post by: Kiss x Miz on January 29, 2014, 12:18:21 PM
The Wii U, honestly great idea but bad bad marketing and they could have done a lot more with it. It was rushed.
It was also pretty much impossible to record a good let's play on it. Since there was no way to record the screen on the controller.
Title: Re: Nintendo Going Down the Drain?
Post by: Swagmaster on January 29, 2014, 01:51:10 PM
The Wii U, honestly great idea but bad bad marketing and they could have done a lot more with it. It was rushed.
Along with marketing, a big issue with it is Nintendo did not get any 3rd party support BEFORE they made the console. The likes of Microsoft and Sony, who already have several studios of their own producing games before they came out, had many 3rd party developers working on games long before the consoles release. I agree that the idea behind Wii U is nice, but Nintendo practically threw it out there and said to 3rd party devs "make us some games"
Title: Re: Nintendo Going Down the Drain?
Post by: O:\msg on January 29, 2014, 07:34:57 PM
The Wii U, honestly great idea but bad bad marketing and they could have done a lot more with it. It was rushed.
It was a terrible idea!!
"Lets give them last gen hardware so we save money even though no devs will be interested in developing games for it. But we'll give it another fancy controller like the Wii again and the fanboys will buy it anyway!"
Title: Re: Nintendo Going Down the Drain?
Post by: NekoBot on January 29, 2014, 09:34:59 PM
A discussion wasted :L
Title: Re: Nintendo Going Down the Drain?
Post by: Swagmaster on January 29, 2014, 10:38:09 PM
A discussion wasted :L
How is it wasted?
Title: Re: Nintendo Going Down the Drain?
Post by: devon on January 29, 2014, 11:36:23 PM
I'm a big Zelda fan, and I don't see it dying anytime soon. Reason is that the game's quality is a LOT higher then Mario's. Mario has just the tough luck of being pasted on nearly any possible new IP of Nintendo.
?!!?

Also, about the 1080p... I have talked to some experienced YouTubers... There is barely NO difference in 720p and 1080p if your TV can't support it. And because Nintendo aims for FAMILY's and not gamers... Yeah, what's the benefit?
Jonez you're killing me here. Nintendo should be aiming for gamers. I've never understood this argument... If they didn't aim for gamers then why are you supporting it? They don't care about you! You're not their target audience! Jesus!

Nintendo isn't going down the drain. Their sales and such are still rather high. Yet, what happened is that your interested just shifted away from them. Compare the milking of IP's with ANY other company.
Google "Nintendo Profit", "Nintendo Sales" or "Nintendo figures" and tell me there's anything "high" about what you see.

Think about it, why stop an IP that actually works? Bethesa, the creators of Fall Out and Elder Scrolls milk that series out as well. At a lesser rate then Nintendo, true that, but remember it's a company. And making new IP's is always a big fanicial risk ya know?
Remember that the difference between Bethesda and Nintendo is that Nintendo need to support their console with their games. A console that will only get harder for third party developers to use because it uses last-gen tech.

when a council is made, they are generally very powerful machines.
From what I've read, the PS4 and xbone are comparable to a mid-range gaming computer (think i5 non-K processor and HD 7870 tier components). Battlefield 4 runs at 1600x900 resolution and apparently has trouble getting to the 60fps mark. Hell, my PC's 3-year old tech may be able to give the new consoles a good run.

The Wii U, honestly great idea but bad bad marketing and they could have done a lot more with it. It was rushed.
What part of the WiiU was a great idea? The expensive tablet controller that the console depended on? Using leftover parts from Bob's Second Hand Computer Emporium?
Title: Re: Nintendo Going Down the Drain?
Post by: Kiss x Miz on January 30, 2014, 03:16:36 PM
Also, about the 1080p... I have talked to some experienced YouTubers... There is barely NO difference in 720p and 1080p if your TV can't support it. And because Nintendo aims for FAMILY's and not gamers... Yeah, what's the benefit? 
I have a fairly large TV. I gotta say the difference between 720p and 1080p videos is huge.
Title: Re: Nintendo Going Down the Drain?
Post by: BloodcatNS on January 30, 2014, 04:18:51 PM
The Wii U, honestly great idea but bad bad marketing and they could have done a lot more with it. It was rushed.
What part of the WiiU was a great idea? The expensive tablet controller that the console depended on? Using leftover parts from Bob's Second Hand Computer Emporium?
Well, it DID open new gameplay possibilities. Albeit, not really wide. That's honestly all I can think of. Not to mention, from what I've watched from a Watch_Dogs demo, Ubisoft emulated the concept of using a mobile device for gameplay. If that won't render the WiiU's gimmicky tablet controller obsolete, I don't know what will.
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