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Title: When is Trolling Ok?
Post by: NekoBot on January 07, 2013, 11:55:47 AM
When is it ok? Seriously, I wanna hear you guys :3
Title: Re: When is Trolling Ok?
Post by: BloodcatNS on January 07, 2013, 12:14:10 PM
When the victim's more of an ass than you are. Only stupider and more gullible. :3
Title: Re: When is Trolling Ok?
Post by: Kiss x Miz on January 07, 2013, 12:14:58 PM
When the word bullying doesn't come to mind
Title: Re: When is Trolling Ok?
Post by: Mr.PowPow on January 07, 2013, 12:19:16 PM
You'll always get a bias answer for this from the people who know a lot about it (by actually doing it), psychologically trolling is just asserting dominance over another person by forcing a reaction that you know is going to happen, or is your goal to make it happen. So in that sense its a natural human instinct, so in the evolutionary sense its completely fine and necessary. In which the same applies for bullying.

In the sense of society, its obviously going to be deemed deviant and wrong. Mostly by the victims of trolling. However since the line between trolling and bullying is rather thin, we're obviously going to have some sort of controversy here.

In my opinion, trolling is stupid and wrong, however I will admit that in the past I indulged in it simply to relieve stress. It's wrong but we do it anyway, because its instinctual. Though you'll find that those who are heavily socialized by society can restrain themselves, but these people tend to be -very- touchy and irrational, sometimes even illogical.

It's a necessary evil in this world, it won't go away. We just have to accept that it will always happen.
Title: Re: When is Trolling Ok?
Post by: NekoBot on January 07, 2013, 12:34:59 PM
Ok, so os there a.... helpful or positive trolling or is it all negative?
Title: Re: When is Trolling Ok?
Post by: Mr.PowPow on January 07, 2013, 12:40:55 PM
I'm afraid that what is negative and what is positive is subject to personal views. It's not relative.
So there is no such thing as trolling being universally negative or positive, there will never be a worldwide consensus. So there is no real answer apart from bias ones. Even some parts of my previous answer contained bias remarks, when it came to my personal view on it.

However we can say that trolling is a part of our instinct, but sadly that doesn't offer much in terms of an answer.
Title: Re: When is Trolling Ok?
Post by: NekoBot on January 07, 2013, 12:51:57 PM
So then what other words can describe trolling?
Title: Re: When is Trolling Ok?
Post by: Kiss x Miz on January 07, 2013, 02:00:32 PM
You'll always get a bias answer for this from the people who know a lot about it (by actually doing it), psychologically trolling is just asserting dominance over another person by forcing a reaction that you know is going to happen, or is your goal to make it happen. So in that sense its a natural human instinct, so in the evolutionary sense its completely fine and necessary. In which the same applies for bullying.

In the sense of society, its obviously going to be deemed deviant and wrong. Mostly by the victims of trolling. However since the line between trolling and bullying is rather thin, we're obviously going to have some sort of controversy here.

In my opinion, trolling is stupid and wrong, however I will admit that in the past I indulged in it simply to relieve stress. It's wrong but we do it anyway, because its instinctual. Though you'll find that those who are heavily socialized by society can restrain themselves, but these people tend to be -very- touchy and irrational, sometimes even illogical.

It's a necessary evil in this world, it won't go away. We just have to accept that it will always happen.

I'm afraid that what is negative and what is positive is subject to personal views. It's not relative.
So there is no such thing as trolling being universally negative or positive, there will never be a worldwide consensus. So there is no real answer apart from bias ones. Even some parts of my previous answer contained bias remarks, when it came to my personal view on it.

However we can say that trolling is a part of our instinct, but sadly that doesn't offer much in terms of an answer.
Cannot.. read.. wall..

If you can't stand getting trolled when it's all for laughs, you're just a wimp :/
Title: Re: When is Trolling Ok?
Post by: NekoJonez on January 07, 2013, 02:03:18 PM
To me, it's an other word then pulling a prank on somebody.

But here is the thing. Trolling has so many different meanings now, it's ridiculous.

There are forms of trolling that I don't mind, if the other party can take the joke, that's okay. But, there are trolls that actively seek ways to HURT and WOUND people. And with that form/kind of trolling, I don't accept with.

Like Mizari said, when it's for laughs. Okay. But sometimes it can go TO far. Or trying to get a community mad... That's no fun trolling anymore.
Title: Re: When is Trolling Ok?
Post by: Mr.PowPow on January 07, 2013, 03:20:20 PM

Cannot.. read.. wall..

If you can't stand getting trolled when it's all for laughs, you're just a wimp :/
Well I'm glad my educated opinion was well recieved.
Regardless I was neither supporting it nor demonizing it. In short, biologically its natural and sociologically its deviant and wrong. But ultimately it can't be universally classed as negative or positive, subject to viewpoint. So there, no need to read the wall.
Title: Re: When is Trolling Ok?
Post by: BloodcatNS on January 07, 2013, 03:31:31 PM
Wow. Suddenly I feel a bit sadistic reading all the other opinions. :\

.... I like it.
Title: Re: When is Trolling Ok?
Post by: Kiss x Miz on January 07, 2013, 04:39:01 PM

Cannot.. read.. wall..

If you can't stand getting trolled when it's all for laughs, you're just a wimp :/
Well I'm glad my educated opinion was well recieved.
Regardless I was neither supporting it nor demonizing it. In short, biologically its natural and sociologically its deviant and wrong. But ultimately it can't be universally classed as negative or positive, subject to viewpoint. So there, no need to read the wall.
I fail to see the "educated" part though.
All I see is big words from a book/wiki. :/
Title: Re: When is Trolling Ok?
Post by: dark 5FVD on January 07, 2013, 04:52:47 PM
when people are making fun of me... and when im hyper active
Title: Re: When is Trolling Ok?
Post by: Mr.PowPow on January 07, 2013, 05:12:10 PM

Cannot.. read.. wall..

If you can't stand getting trolled when it's all for laughs, you're just a wimp :/
Well I'm glad my educated opinion was well recieved.
Regardless I was neither supporting it nor demonizing it. In short, biologically its natural and sociologically its deviant and wrong. But ultimately it can't be universally classed as negative or positive, subject to viewpoint. So there, no need to read the wall.
I fail to see the "educated" part though.
All I see is big words from a book/wiki. :/
considering the fact that what I wrote was based on my knowledge from -education-, rather than me looking it up on google or "wiki", and also giving more than one viewpoint to it (evolutionary and sociological). That's what you call an educated opinion.

Just because I didn't write 5 pages of structured analysis doesn't mean it wasn't born from an educated view.
Anyone else would only give their view on it and nothing else. I fail to see how you didn't get that.
Title: Re: When is Trolling Ok?
Post by: Kiss x Miz on January 07, 2013, 07:32:15 PM
considering the fact that what I wrote was based on my knowledge from -education-, rather than me looking it up on google or "wiki", and also giving more than one viewpoint to it (evolutionary and sociological). That's what you call an educated opinion.

Just because I didn't write 5 pages of structured analysis doesn't mean it wasn't born from an educated view.
Anyone else would only give their view on it and nothing else. I fail to see how you didn't get that.
People don't like to read fancy words. Type it like you would say it, not like you would write it on an exam.
Title: Re: When is Trolling Ok?
Post by: NekoBot on January 07, 2013, 11:57:02 PM
But trolling can be many things, such as revenge, bullying, pranks, jokes, or something else. No?
Title: Re: When is Trolling Ok?
Post by: O:\msg on January 08, 2013, 07:32:09 AM
When I do it.
Title: Re: When is Trolling Ok?
Post by: O:\msg on January 09, 2013, 03:43:51 PM
Trolling is ok when used as a demonstration on what coud happen if likes/dislike were added to forum posts.
I think this might persuade them not to do it: http://www.unikgamer.com/forums/the-likes-comments-and-profile-controls-poll-24751-p3.html
Title: Re: When is Trolling Ok?
Post by: senpai_FisT on January 09, 2013, 03:54:12 PM
JRPGs are lame, they haven't evolved or changed since the 90's. Random encounters? What is this? The NES era?

Also, Final Fantasy VII is the worst game of all time.

Ass>Tits

Cricket>Football
Title: Re: When is Trolling Ok?
Post by: Kiss x Miz on January 09, 2013, 05:50:13 PM
JRPGs are lame, they haven't evolved or changed since the 90's. Random encounters? What is this? The NES era?

Also, Final Fantasy VII is the worst game of all time.

Ass>Tits

Cricket>Football
Indeed, the ass is usually bigger than the tits. A cricket bat is larger than a football.
Title: Re: When is Trolling Ok?
Post by: O:\msg on January 09, 2013, 06:40:12 PM
JRPGs are lame, they haven't evolved or changed since the 90's. Random encounters? What is this? The NES era?

Also, Final Fantasy VII is the worst game of all time.

Ass>Tits

Cricket>Football
You call that trolling? You couldn't troll under a bridge! Hopeless......
Title: Re: When is Trolling Ok?
Post by: Apokura on January 10, 2013, 01:31:16 AM
Well it's simple.
Trolling is OK when it's on the internet.
Trolling is not OK when it's IRL, unless you're trolling a complete asshole like a corrupt politician or something.
Title: Re: When is Trolling Ok?
Post by: O:\msg on January 10, 2013, 11:52:19 AM
Well it's simple.
Trolling is OK when it's on the internet.
Trolling is not OK when it's IRL, unless you're trolling a complete asshole like a corrupt politician or something.
Trolling is ok in real life, we call it banter.
Title: Re: When is Trolling Ok?
Post by: NekoBot on January 10, 2013, 02:11:43 PM
Well it's simple.
Trolling is OK when it's on the internet.
Trolling is not OK when it's IRL, unless you're trolling a complete asshole like a corrupt politician or something.
Trolling is ok in real life, we call it banter.

In general I dont mind it at all :P
Title: Re: When is Trolling Ok?
Post by: PriomBlazer on April 05, 2013, 12:14:09 PM
My apoligies for a late reply but when I saw this post I could not help but comment.

You see trolling is like an art.And like every art this art has artists,us.
An artist doesn't need to know when,why and how he should create.An artist can feel the right
time,place and motivation to create his masterpiece!
Title: Re: When is Trolling Ok?
Post by: senpai_FisT on April 05, 2013, 01:30:03 PM
Also, trolling is actually about tricking the unsuspecting into anger and agitation. Instead of what we know as 'trolling', which is actually online harrasment. The origins of the word lie in the fishing practice where a net is trolled along the back of a boat, catching any unsuspecting fish. It doesn't relate to a thrashing beast of Tolkien lore (which is what we associate with trolling nowadays)
Title: Re: When is Trolling Ok?
Post by: Kiss x Miz on April 05, 2013, 01:35:12 PM
Trolling shouldn't be personal, just generally annoying.
Title: Re: When is Trolling Ok?
Post by: devon on April 05, 2013, 01:58:28 PM
To directly answer the question, you can troll whenever you feel like it.
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